User talk:The Rim of the Sky

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Hey.[edit]

Don't do this, please. It's misleading. —likelolwhat talk lulzy to me 22:57, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Leaving this message here[edit]

Your suspiciously similar edit has been noted, and passed up the line here. Have a nice day. Timeoin (talk) 10:54, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

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I dunno where to begin with this one! Your contributions to the wiki have been consistently phenomenal, especially the amazing ESO screenshots you've been submitting. Your recent update to ON:Pets really stood out in particular. Good work! —Legoless (talk) 03:16, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

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Your dedication and diligence to the wiki has not gone unnoticed. A user has seen the progress you've made, and has given you a cookie because of it. Good work! The user had the following to say:

You've been doing a great job for months adding ESO content! Thanks for all the work turning empty pages into full articles. —Dillonn241 (talk) 01:25, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

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Congratulations, you're now a full patroller! Feel free to change the userbox on your page appropriately. Oh, and per the nomination guidelines, you should add an e-mail address to your account, if you don't have one, and enable the option for users to contact you in your preferences. Robin Hood  (talk) 03:20, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Professional Editing[edit]

I've noticed occasionally that non-professional comments sometimes make it into your edits. I've had to fix these on multiple occasions (Such as [1] and [2]) and I've seen other editors revert it as well (such as [3]). I've also noticed unprofessional image descriptions, including "Daddy is back 😍" and "Loki-stick makes a BIG roar".

I get that you want to have fun with things, but this is not an appropriate forum for that. Most of the edits come as a single line in an otherwise great edit, which can make it difficult to detect unless it is on a high-traffic page. This is especially true since you are trusted as a patroller and thus your edits do not need to be reviewed and patrolled. The professionalism of the wiki is one of our selling points, and this actively distracts from that goal. I would encourage you to please be more careful about ensuring your edits are free of these sorts of things going forward. Jeancey (talk) 16:28, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

There's perfectly reasonable explanations for all of these instances. For the non-included instructional notes on the dungeon pages you linked, I was in a rush to publish the edits and didn't have time to look up what the standard comments were and copy-paste them in. Since these comments aren't able to seen unless one edits the page itself, I didn't see it to be much of a concern. I understand you take the usage of the hidden sections of ESO wiki pages as a priority (such as adding related quests for an assistant because of "consistency" and the very shrewd chance that they might be associated with a quest in the future) but if its any consolation, I created the the articles, so I wasn't stripping away at any content of the article I didn't add in the first place (and thanks for fixing it).
As for the image descriptions and my edit on the ON:Dragon page, I was a little intoxicated at the time; not as if its an excuse, just an explanation for the outlier files. They aren't ideal descriptions, but I also added the source for each image and a relevant enough licensing, so I didn't see a major concern. Very few users ever add descriptions to their images and readers rarely ever read them, and for the most part when I do add summaries they're properly descriptive, and completely optional since I don't have to add them in the first place. As long as the caption for the image on articles is relevant, that's all that matters. There's no point in enforcing a strict standard for filespace summaries (which are not high traffic), and you for example removing this completely due to its prose takes away actual info telling us what the location of the image is, when you could have easily left it alone.
The only edit worth correcting as a priority was when I added "Daddy" instead of "Mulaamnir" as a caption, also made when not in my regular state, since that was on a publicly read gamespace page. When I noticed it later I fully intended to fix it (before Sarthes fixed it which is nice of him) in the next content edit of the page. I created and frequently edited that page and have added the majority of content present on it, so you can believe me when I say I intended to correct my mistake. Sometimes I do put in some humorous inaccuracies when drafting up articles but I usually remove them before publishing the final proofread edit, and there's only very rare cases ie where I accidentally leave them in.
So that's that. Jeancey, I gotta ask, are you doing okay? The issues with the edits you pointed out are rather minor and feel cherrypicked, I find that you're making this bigger than it is. I believe you're already aware I plan to retire by the start of September, so you coming to me with this when I'm not going to spend much more time editing feels like I'm being unnecessarily micromanaged. You've been acting somewhat aggressive when addressing me and other users in the discord when we suggest making a change that you don't agree with, or when you justify reverting an edit. Your position of authority as an admin and using various guidelines and policies to back yourself up over trivial things is intimidating to most, so when you do this kind of stuff its hard to oppose you. The other admins don't exhibit this same approach and make less of a big deal about things. Me and some others have noticed this behavior arise rather recently, a couple months ago I find your attitude and editing style was friendlier. If something is troubling you, please say so, because at times it feels like you're taking it out in your edits. I'm now hesitant to work on more projects that I have lined up because I'm, well, scared of you, and that whatever I add is gonna be in vain because you'd just remove it. It always seems like I'm being talked down to by you when I try to explain myself.
You're a sensible guy Jeancey, I know you stand by your opinions and all but I really gotta recommend you take a different approach, because whatever you're doing right now is discouraging. I can't tell you what to do, but I trust you'll understand where I'm coming from and make the right call on your own. You're a very valued editor and all I'm hoping is for is the best. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 07:09, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
This was more of a "I've noticed this all along and kept forgetting to say something" rather than trying to make it bigger than it is. I very rarely revert edits, preferring to discuss with people than to cause problems by reverting. There are also many instances where, while I feel strongly about something, I don't end up doing anything since it's clear I'm the outlier in those instances. Off the top of my head, changes to how stuff is displayed on certain lorepages is a major one. I also opposed listing furstocks in the infobox at all, but I was in the clear minority on that one, and when the furstock is specifically stated, we do include it in the infobox.
I will however take you criticism into consideration and endeavor to be more careful with my tone in the future. I do apologize if I come off as scary, as I do not intend to scare anyone into doing or not doing anything. More times than not, I only jump in when I feel the opinion I hold isn't being represented in the conversation, which results in me only jumping in on areas where I feel strongly or where I'm likely to be in the minority. In most discussions I agree with what other people are saying and thus don't feel the need to reiterate a point someone else already made. Like you said, this isn't an excuse, just an attempt to explain why I might come off as more confrontational than other admins.
If you ever feel I cross the line in an edit or a discussion at any point in the future, please feel free to contact me and share your concerns, and I will try to rectify any issues that I may have caused. Jeancey (talk) 17:13, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for understanding, if issues like this come up between us in the future I'll let you know. And if some other users have concerns, I hope that they'll contact you about it too. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 18:54, 25 July 2019 (UTC)