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Good spotting.[edit]

Good spotting mate on the countesses page :) JackTurbo95 08:42, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Just way too much time on my hands on a Thursday night.Minor Edits 08:46, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Ha , Friday morning where I am mate =D JackTurbo95 08:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Good point, me too. Yikes. Anyways, it was really rpeh who deserved credit; he looked up exactly who the Countess goes to see. I play on a console, so I'm pretty useless when it comes that kind of stuff.Minor Edits 08:58, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm with you there. Xbox 360 all the way. JackTurbo95 08:59, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Quotation Marks[edit]

I noticed you have been moving punctuation inside the end of quotation marks. You should be leaving them outside, unless the quotes are surrounding an entire sentence. Refer to UESPWiki:Style_Guide#Language. --Brf 13:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. Not sure why we're using such an unintuitive mix of American English and British grammar rules, though.Minor Edits 20:20, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Yeah. The mix is a bit unintuitive. The quotes were left that way because they are more logical that way. The American rule of putting the punctuation inside does not make much sense when you try to break a sentence down into its "components". Note my example... I am emphasizing the word "components". The period, being the end of the sentence, does not need the same emphasis. --Brf 20:45, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Hmmmm. Actually, if it is a whole sentence within the quotes, the punctuation should go inside:
You will get the message saying: "You cannot cast the spell on two separate souls at once." --Brf 20:55, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll keep in mind to preserve in-game grammar.Minor Edits 21:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey, since you are online...[edit]

I know Recent Change patrolling isnt exactly your thing but can you help me watch it? There arent any blockers online and theres an IP having some "fun". Think you can help me out with this one by undoing the crap?--Catmaniac66 01:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)


Hey Buddy[edit]

You seem like a pretty intelligent guy. Understand I only started 'trolling' when I felt members took advantage of their power and were abusive to me when I was attempting to be helpful, this includes recent update mods, so you may be able to silence me effectivly but the problem won't be solved if your mods are being abusive, by abusive I mean making new members feel unwanted and making the same members attempts at being helpful feel unwanted. So obviously your going to keep trying to ban me and if I honestly felt that involved I'd keep finding ways back but I won't past today...Just know this, the only way your site is going to improve is if your new members are treated better by the main population after all new members bring new insight and that is how wiki's prosper. See ya. — Unsigned comment by 72.91.245.141 (talk) at 04:04 on 21 May 2011

Where was any one "abusive" to you? I know pepole think he is a troll, but I'm going to have "good faith" and hear him out.
if he is gone for good then okay, but this is not a post of a troll and the least we can do is hear what he has to say. Wolfy 14:39, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
On Permanent Retirement's talk page, he suggested a method of killing 7 guards just to be able to kill Adamus while he was sleeping. I was the first to respond, and while I may not have been the most cordial I just pointed out that it is incredibly difficult to kill 7 guards in 1 shot with no bounty, and that killing him with the rose was the best method because it only gives you 40 bounty. He then proceeded to instantly call us trolls, and proceeded to try and remove talk page posts. We pointed out that this wasnt allowed, and he started his personal attacks. That is all that happened, and if he hadnt posted here I would have let it die. Hopefully now it will die, please dont respond to this, I just felt it needed to be on the record somewhere. Sorry Edits :-D--Catmaniac66 15:14, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
My initial intentions were to be a benefit to the site, my "method" was just a quick thought I didn't spend alot of time on where as I accomplished my main goal of not getting a bounty for a quest where as you nearly always got a bounty and sure it works and it could work other places but the facts that I was new and my plan recieved nasty sarcasim is what brought me to the 'trolling'. People were sarcasitically saying "The problem with your"plan"^" as if it were not, obviously it could have used some touching upBeing new I didn't know all the rules and outlinings of the site, obviously now I'm well aware of the attitude going on when you try to make an edit it must be completely flawless as removing posts was not allowed(which I didn't know) I understand that is my fault for not reading the rules on editing but when I was removing edits they were edits I made and I was removing them so I could touch them up and repost as 'better' works less grammitical errors etc, I had no idea that was a high offense, I did get imature and make personal attacks but it was after I felt unwelcomed and attacked, attacking someone online is tricky because everyone has different points of view and anything that can be misconsrued as agression makes another get defensive. I was by passing your ban hammer because I felt that I was wronged by people and felt nothing would be changed if I simply went down quietly even though I do agree with the reasons I was banned at this time, when I was first banned it was for minor general attacks the only person I personally attacks was AKB and that was because His name caught me slighted. By this I mean his name was more inappropreite then anything I said, The worst thing I said was "I looted your dead body and found troll fat" Obviously a spur of the moment attack and completly imature, Like it or not sarcasim is abuse and I'm failing to realize why that is, it's illigal for one to call a general group of people trolls but not illegal for others to call me a troll? It's illegal for you to edit posts that your embarrassed of while it's not illegal for others to condesend those posts? Obviously I'm bias to the situation however remember it was me verse a big group of people which makes the situation hard to over come with direct posts like this because everyone in the situation was bias towards myself, I suggest someone un-bias review all the content and see if there's any merit at all to my claims. Obviously catmaniac didn't have the slightest idea on what my method was about because she incorrectly posted what it was about above this post. So maybe this was all a misunderstanding and if I perhaps posted it more clearly she would have understood it completly, I also stated several times there was no need to kill the guards that I meerly did it because you could. All I ask is if you can't comprehend what your reading don't post things that condesend it. Thanks for taking the time to read this.
I'm going to keep this as civil as possible. You talk of being polite, and how you felt unwelcomed. Just remember that I was the first person to basically point out that your "coming clean" was appreciated; and it did seem as if you may become civil. In the end, you attempted to play us and our system like a fiddle. This was not once, but multiple times. This is all shown here, among other places. Jmartinez (or Oblivion4lyfe) as far as I'm concerned, you cannot be believed and any attempts to "apologize" or explain your actions are just you playing your little game again.--Kalis AgeaYes? Contrib E-mail 21:39, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
I don't intend to apologize I also don't intend to be apart of your site here, he said he was willing to hear me out otherwise I wouldn't have posted here. Another thing yesterday you found my definition of insanity "laughable" I wanted to tell you that wasn't my own definition it was Albert Einstien's. I don't want credit for his work I just believe it is true myself, Obviously I did play your ban system as well as yours and AKB's feelings sure but it was because I felt wronged and I sought revenge, Again Minor edits was right, simply don't respond to this and I will "commit suicide at an accelerated rate" in terms of the site ofcourse. — Unsigned comment by 72.91.245.141 (talk) at 23:05 on 21 May 2011

Eight-year-olds, Dude.

This is not Nam. There are rules. Minor Edits 07:15, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Othrelos[edit]

Hey mr. Edits! Just saw your tweaks to Othrelos' page, and they are all fine; it would, however, be much more easy to understand if we had a corresponding Bug Note about his "sleepwalking" - without that, it sounds really odd. Is that something you can add? --Krusty 09:45, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Patroller Nomination[edit]

If I were to nominate you for the role of Patroller, would you be interested in accepting said nomination? rpeh •TCE 18:49, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, I often still feel like the guy who needs to be patrolled, rather than the one doing the patrolling, but I would be honored, of course. Minor Edits 18:53, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted to pop in and thank you for your great work, although Krusty beat me to the cookie! ;) Also, tbh, your edits are so good they require little patrolling, trust me! --SerCenKing Talk 19:03, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
If you don't feel ready for the gig, I won't do it right now. For the record, however, I agree with SerC. rpeh •TCE 19:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I hate to bother you about this again, but have you changed your minds about this at all, ME? Right now, I'd find it hard to deny a RFA from you, let alone a request for patroller rights! If you still are doubting yourself, remember, we finished Lore:Vivec (god), an article that you were the primary contributor to. That's not just saying that we have no problems with your editions, but that we want to hold them up as a standard for everyone else to follow. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 02:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Sure, I guess I'll give it a go. Minor Edits 03:03, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

A Late Welcome Back[edit]

Just thought I'd say "welcome back"! Yes, I know you've been editing sporadically for a while, and now you're just on a "binge" but let's hope this "binge" lasts a long time! I know I'm a little late, but I've been pretty busy lately. Anyways, hope to continue seeing you around the namespaces (but the Lore namespace especially :D ).--Kalis AgeaYes? Contrib E-mail 01:50, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Vivec[edit]

Just pointing this out, I nominated Lore:Vivec (god) for featured status. Thought you'd like to know as you've worked extensively on this article, and it shows. What I'm trying to say is, even if the nomination fails, good job on the expansion of that article. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 16:26, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, that would be an honor! Minor Edits 18:06, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

The Only Cure[edit]

Hey mr. Edits! Thanks for your tireless work during these busy weeks. Just wanted to say that I agree with you about the images on The Only Cure; it seems the page would appear more "natural" if Kesh was placed to the left, so feel free to change it. Otherwise, I'll give it a go tomorrow. Also, I could use an opinion on my change to the layout for the four ingredients; I've wanted to do that ever since I hit the save-button, but managed to forget - until it was nominated for FA. --Krusty 22:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, that's definitely a lot better. Makes the page easier to read. It's weird how great pages nominated for FA status become even better through the vetting process. Minor Edits 22:15, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Temba Wide-Arm[edit]

I see, thank you. My apologies for repeatedly changing that sentence. This is the first wiki I have contributed to and like you, I will probably focus on general clarity and coherence and removal of unimportant material. I can see that you do a great deal of work on the articles in that respect, it is admirable. The Invisible Chocobo 04:51, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

No worries. Minor Edits 05:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Dragonlings[edit]

Hey Minor Edits! I noticed this update to the lore entry on Dragonlings. I was curious as to where the new information came from. I couldn't find any Skyrim texts mentioning the creatures; is it from dialogue, or is it based on the claim that all dragons were "born of Akatosh" etc? --Legoless 17:46, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

It comes from the book, "There Be Dragons", I believe. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 17:53, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, dunno why the search came back empty. --Legoless 15:48, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Lore:Riften[edit]

[1] > [2]. That's why I made this edit. On the map, as a given source, it states clearly "Riften" not "Rifton". --Arkhon 05:31, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

There is more information out there than the map, as demonstrated by ME's edit. elliot (talk) 05:33, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, but I do apologize, as I made a bad assumption about which map you were referring to in your edit summary. I checked back on it later and realized you were correct that the cited map did not support the proposition. Minor Edits 06:01, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
I know that there is more information out there than the map BUT the map was given as a soruce of this information (there were no other sources given). That's why I have removed it. --Arkhon 15:16, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
We get it. It's water under the bridge now, so hopefully I can forgo the seppuku. Minor Edits 16:47, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks~[edit]

Hey thanks for the clean-up on the Solstheim page. I was writing direct from book to page and it got a little odd. Anyway thanks again.

- Lore Master

No problem; thank you for including the info. I haven't read Lord of Souls myself. Minor Edits 07:43, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Dragon Shouts[edit]

Is merging all of the questions regarding shouts into one short, concise FAQ unacceptable? And if so, what if I just stuck them all under the FAQ instead of having 5 or more separate sections on the same thing?Sulhir 09:45, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Talk page comments are not removed or otherwise changed without the consent of the author except for formatting unless they're entirely irrelevant, abusive, profane, etc. If you think a summary FAQ entry answering recurring questions would be appropriate, you're free to add it (as I see you have), but new entries are generally added to the bottom of the page. If you like, I can archive the "dead" sections on the page so yours stands out. Minor Edits 09:50, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
So, yes, I could move them all to be under the FAQ since that would only be a change in formatting? Unless this archiving you speak of would shorten the wall of sections. And I placed it at the top since it was a suggestion to do so.
- [[User:Sulhir|<span style="color:#BA55D3;" title="Curious?">Vainamoinen]]</span>

-[[User_talk:Sulhir|<span style="color:#BA55D3;" title="Leave a Message">Talk]]</span> -[[Special:Contributions/Sulhir|<span style="color:#BA55D3;" title="Mostly Vandalism">Stuff]]

</span></span></span> ~~~~~

- Vainamoinen-Talk-Stuff 10:15, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

I meant that by archiving it would shorten the wall. As for whether it's appropriate to make make entire sections into sub-sections of a single FAQ section on a talk page, you could probably ask about that here and/or comb through the archive there to see if that kind of proposal has been addressed. I don't really know; I'm not aware of anyone trying to make an informal FAQ on a talk page. I wouldn't say it's necessarily a bad idea, though, in some cases. Minor Edits 10:26, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
Like so? http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim_talk:Dragon_Shouts/Archive
- [[User:Sulhir|<span style="color:#BA55D3;" title="Curious?">Vainamoinen]]</span>

-[[User_talk:Sulhir|<span style="color:#BA55D3;" title="Leave a Message">Talk]]</span> -[[Special:Contributions/Sulhir|<span style="color:#BA55D3;" title="Mostly Vandalism">Stuff]]

</span></span></span> ~~~~~

- Vainamoinen-Talk-Stuff 10:37, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Also, I can't seem to figure out how to add the Archive table to the Dragon Shouts page so I won't delete the relevant conversations until that magically happens or I figure it out.

- [[User:Sulhir|<span style="color:#BA55D3;" title="Curious?">Vainamoinen]]</span>
-[[User_talk:Sulhir|<span style="color:#BA55D3;" title="Leave a Message">Talk]]</span>
-[[Special:Contributions/Sulhir|<span style="color:#BA55D3;" title="Mostly Vandalism">Stuff]]
</span></span></span> ~~~~~

- Vainamoinen-Talk-Stuff 10:41, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

So, if I'm following you right, I think what you're trying to do is create a topic-based archive. How to do so is discussed here. An example of it can be seen here. General archiving guidelines are here. Minor Edits 10:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Fancy Lettering in Books[edit]

If you haven't been following it, can I ask you to see if you can make heads or tails out of this discussion? A lot of it is technical in nature, but what I'm looking for from you is basically: what do you think would be easiest to use when it comes to adding fancy letters to the various books? The two basic proposals are to either:

  • Have a single call to a template only on the Lore page (e.g., {{LetterPic|A|Oblivion=1|Skyrim=1}}), which would print a plain letter in Lore and Morrowind spaces, but fancy letters in Oblivion and Skyrim spaces. The problem with this is that it might require more work to update when we get add-ons and such.
  • Have a simpler call on the Lore page (e.g., {{LetterPic|A}}), but then if that doesn't apply to all versions of the book, you then have to edit the transclusion into each other namespace where you want fancy letter. So, for example, you would change {{Lore:Brief History of the Empire v 1}} to {{Lore:Brief History of the Empire v 1|usefancy=1}} on the Oblivion and Skyrim transclusions, but leave the Morrowind transclusion alone. This has the benefit that once the changes are made, they can remain untouched after that, and when we add new versions of them for future add-ons/games, only the new pages need to be altered. This is probably more flexible in the end, but it requires changes to more pages initially.

Anyway, feel free to contribute to the CP/Templates discussion if you have any thoughts on the matter. Robin Hoodtalk 23:15, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, would've responded sooner, but I passed out. I have been following the discussion, but most of it is over my head. You template folk might as well be mages to me. Both proposal seem like they would get the job done, but I'm unaware of how much of your "magicka" each will take. The latter of the two proposals seems like it would cause the least headache in the long run, but that's just a guess. Minor Edits 04:34, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

About Azura and other Daedra[edit]

I have seen your post concerning Azura and other Daedra. The moral alignment of the Daedra is one of the mysteries of the elder scrolls universe. uncoverimg the supposed aliance of the supposedly good azura and Molag bal,can provide clues to making things more clear.Or this can make the article better by debunking this info,which may be false. The info concerning the source from daggerfall,i mean. — Unsigned comment by 201.9.204.167 (talk) at 01:48 on January 19, 2012

Really, I've never even played Daggerfall; the only source I could find to support the Molag Bal-Azura connection is this page. Since it's in-game information and nothing has been specifically contradicted by newer games, it's still proper to include it on the lore page. There's a question of whether the purported alliances between Daedra in Daggerfall are too game-specific to appear on the pages, but the operating assumption seems to be they're not, as many lore pages for Daedric Princes refer to their Daggerfall allies and enemies. Wish I could help clarify better than that. Minor Edits 02:12, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Unpatrolled Edits[edit]

I didn't want to clutter Eric Snowmane's nomination too much, but just to respond to your point about edits falling off the patrol list, by and large, they haven't been since I took up "the rear guard". There are still a few that I just can't verify, but in the last few weeks, we've been averaging only about 3/day that go unpatrolled, and even that figure may be slightly inflated due to things like deleted/renamed pages and the like, which can't be patrolled. Robin Hoodtalk 05:24, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Awesome, sorry about that. I knew you were working on them, but I didn't realize you were managing to review so many. I've been trying to thin the herd, but they just keep coming. I'm starting to understand why those postal employees used to go crazy. Minor Edits 05:46, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm going through them pretty quickly, but I'm trying hard to get a zero-unpatrolled count at the end of the day. I'm still spending a few hours a night on them most nights. The worst is over, though. For a while, the unpatrolled edits were in the high 200's to low 300's per day; now they're in the mid-200's (I'm around Christmas now), and once we hit the new year, it drops below 200 most days. Your help has very much been noticed and appreciated! Heck, if this keeps up, I might actually have time to play the game soon! ;) Robin Hoodtalk 06:13, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Nightingales[edit]

Hey Minor Edits. I noticed that your new page request for an article at Lore:Nightingale Trinity got ignored. There's no doubt in my mind that the group should get a faction page, but I just don't have the time to write one currently. Seeing as lorespace is pretty much a free-for-all anyway, I don't see the harm in going ahead and creating the page, as the original discussion seemed to be left hanging due to the confusion with Jagar Tharn's alias. Forgive my ignorance, but I'm not sure if you can do so yourself given the current restrictions; if you can't, let me know and I'll create a stub for you. Please don't feel compelled to write the article if you're not up for it either. I just thought it was odd that people are questioning the "lore worthiness" of the Nightingales in the fist place. --Legoless 19:23, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. I technically can create new pages, I'm just apprehensive of using the privilege unilaterally. I've got some things on my plate, as well, but I'll see what I can do. Minor Edits 02:13, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Five Tenets[edit]

Hey! Thanks for the edit/cleanup on The Five Tenets. I didn't know how to handle really since it's not a book (in Skyrim); didn't know about the Non Book template. Thanks again! — Unsigned comment by Krag (talkcontribs)

No problem; thanks for mentioning that the Five tenets actually do make a Skyrim appearance, I never noticed them before. It's a pretty unique situation. Minor Edits 17:26, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

The Numbers Job[edit]

I was listing that typo there because it is repeatedly used in the quest dialogue. Apparently, at least for this quest, the <Alias=Business> for Elgrim's Elixirs is in fact titled Elgrim's Elixers. As a typo within the game's files, I think that it is worth mentioning, and although hardly noticeable I imagine that everyone who does the quest involving Elgrim's Elixirs will run into this typo as well. • JATalk 04:16, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I reverted due to a lot of considerations. The sic tag should wrap around the misspelled word, not appear beside it. Also, if we can confirm that the general alias is misspelled, it may be more appropriate on the store's page rather than on that particular quest page.
Even if is specifically misspelled for the Numbers Job, there's the remaining question of whether it's sufficiently relevant to be mentioned. Maybe it is, I honestly don't know. I've seen a few talk page discussions regarding minor typos and errors and whether they were worth mentioning, and there doesn't seem to be an over-arching policy on the matter. My nebulous personal standard is that I don't think we need to dedicate an inordinate amount of time to cataloging all of Bethesda's numerous failings, merely the ones readers would expect us to mention. If I were not a contributor, and was merely perusing this site and the Numbers Job page, I don't think I would care if I learned that the wiki's editors had omitted this typo in this context. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 05:10, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough. I figured I'd at least throw it out there. BTW, like the sig. Most users don't tell others where to post threats to them, which is a real inconvenience at times :) • JATalk 05:34, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

RfA[edit]

Jeez, now you've gone and made it look like we're conspiring. I just sent all the temp admins an e-mail encouraging them to start their RfAs if they're gonna! :) Robin Hoodtalk 00:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Conspiring? I don't use IRC chat, and honestly, I haven't even checked my e-mail since I set it up. Every communique I've ever made or received that's relevant to the site is on the site (or in the histories).
I'm just saying that you're right; it's better that if any of the remaining temp admins wish to remain admins, they should get their RfAs done as soon as possible. There seemed to be no objection, so I acted to facilitate that. It's a bit less presumptuous than actually nominating anyone, since as far as I know, none of them have even expressed interest one way or the other. Besides SerCenKing, who already resigned. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 00:51, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
That was said entirely jokingly. It just thought it was an amusing coincidence that we were apparently both thinking the same thing at the same time. Robin Hoodtalk 01:04, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Ah. Well, the above is no longer true anyways. Massive conspiracies are underway. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 01:25, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Quick question[edit]

If a user makes vandalism, or not assuming good faith, what do we do if they fix it? Do you still give a warning, it was preety long for an acciedent?--Br3admax 23:30, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't bother him/her if the vandalism was removed promptly. I might be more lenient than some others here, though. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 23:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I assume AKB just led by example and addressed the person you were concerned with. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 23:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Block[edit]

I'm not actually sure the IP did remove the vandalism. I have a funny feeling that it's this strange lack of edit conflict bug we've been seeing lately. I know for a fact that I reverted all the IP's edits, yet if you look at a diff between Alfwyn's edit and mine, it looks like I missed some...except that the save size of mine doesn't match any previous edit, which it should have if I'd just mistakenly clicked on the wrong button to undo to. I suspect the case might be that the overlapping edits made it appear that the IP was removing vandalism when in fact he was adding it. Nevertheless, it's best to err on the side of assuming good faith, so as long as he doesn't do it again.... Robin Hoodtalk 23:44, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah. So is this related to Daveh's recent maintenance and the switch to db2? Not that I understood even half of what he said, but I interpreted it to mean that I should expect things to get weird. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 23:50, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's related or not. I remember noticing this sort of thing once or twice even before the database changes, and I'm wondering if it may just be a bug in the MediaWiki software. As for the changes themselves, I think I understood more than you (cuz I'm a database guy, so I know what replication is, for example), but I've strenuously avoided learning much about how to set up a web server. "It's magic" works just fine for me. ;) Robin Hoodtalk 00:05, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Lore Guidelines[edit]

Since the discussion that you started was unanimous for support, I just wen ahead and called it. I also figured you should be the one to implement those guidelines. I'd assume it would be something such as Lore Policy or Lore Guidelines. Thanks, ME! elliot (talk) 00:35, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but are you saying I should move the guidelines to a new page? I assumed that implementation would consist simply of removing "proposed" from the Policy Trail. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 01:26, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that would actually make sense... Haha I completely spaced that portion for some reason. Yeah, go ahead and remove it. elliot (talk) 02:57, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

The Whispering Door - starting the quest -[edit]

If you are 20+ level you can directly ask Nelkir (I found him running throug Witerun -don't know if it applies if he's inside Dragonsreach-) "What's wrong with you?"(Was myself surprised to see 3 option lines with a child) and give you the start of this quest.Sorry if I posted in the wrong section but it is my first post.

Regarding Barbas[edit]

My personal opinion on Barbas is, though he was annoying at times while completing his quest, I found him quite a funny character (so much so that I replayed "A Daedra's Best Friend" over and over.) I absolutely agree with you regarding the fact that he gets annoying at times and can become quite a nuisance when kept as a follower. However, that being said, my edits were out of principle. This is a wiki, and wikis are meant to have un-biased articles. This wiki hosts many extremely high quality article which I have found helpful numerous times. To me, it seemed the two sentences I removed were more detrimental to the article than they were helpful. Perhaps they should be added into the bugs or notes section?

You're a much more seasoned and respected editor than I am so if you truly believe they should be there, I won't complain further.

Thank you,

--DiseasedFox 11:50, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, there should be no bias, but any proffered statement that may arguably qualify as an opinion does not necessarily translate into a bias. This wiki and others like it (i.e., game and media-related wikis) are filled with such opinion, all of it meant to assist the reader in gaining an accurate understanding of the subject matter, as it has been presented, in a succinct way. Wrinkles are pretty much ironed out by community approval, so, no, I'm definitely not trying to "pull rank;" your word is as good as mine, but I'd like to convince you that calling Barbas annoying is closer to a statement of fact tlhan it is an opinion, the same way that saying a landfill is stinky is pretty much a statement of fact, even if a very small minority disagree with this perception.
All I can say is, I liked Barbas and thought he was a funny character, too, and that's why I played intensively with him as a companion for roughly two or three weeks. I intended at first to go through the entire game with him, but no matter how much I liked having him around or enjoyed how useful he could be in a fight, I just couldn't take it anymore. The barking, the bumping, the detecting, the blocking me off in corners or in hallways; it was driving me insane and ruining my overall game experience, and I finished the quest so I didn't have to deal with him anymore. Based on my experience, it's what I think Bethesda intended for us to take away from traveling around with Barbas: useful, but annoying. And if that's the case, that Bethesda designed Barbas to be this way, then I don't believe bias enters into the equation, as calling Barbas "annoying" is just an apt description of the creators' design. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 01:44, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Betony[edit]

I saw that you verified the location of the Yeorth Burrowland by referencing Fav'te's The War of Betony. I can't see anything in the book which would hint at the places being located on the actual island of Betony. In fact, it would seem to me that the battles would have taken place somewhere on the mainland, near Reich Gradkeep, which is why I had added the verification tag. Am I missing out on something here? --Legoless 13:39, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Fav'te's book said that the Burrowland bordered Cryngaine Field, and I've been under the mistaken impression that Cryngaine Field was on the island of Betony. Thanks for checking. So I guess it's in or around Anticlere? Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 13:53, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
I haven't a clue. That entire area is a mystery, even in The Daggerfall Chronicles. I'd just go with "somewhere in High Rock". --Legoless 15:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Lore Policies[edit]

Hey ME, good to see you around again! I thought I should point you towards the recent discussion on a minor addition to the lore policies, seeing as you were the one to write them. It's hurting for some input. —Legoless 21:23, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I was just looking at that, input will follow. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 22:04, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Yokuda[edit]

Just a frindly prompt about the Yokuda page WIP. You posted a WIP on the 18th March, but I can't see a sandbox on it. The Silencer speaksTalk 15:19, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, but now I've got one or two slightly more pressing things to work on. I'll just remove it for now. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 19:07, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


yo what do you think about the upcoming dlc dawnguard[edit]

Ok ive heard its gonna be cool but I want a pros decision oh I'm a new editor um could you be my mentor and can you tell me where I can do the uespaholic test and how can I take that test — Unsigned comment by 173.55.184.189 (talk) at 00:24 on 24 June 2012

I'm not familiar with Dawnguard yet. I haven't take the uespaholic test. It's just a joke, really. If you have any questions on how to contribute here, just let me know. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 01:50, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Food is for wimps. ABCface 19:54, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Mentor[edit]

Hello i'm new to UESP. I have always depended on UESP for any answers to questions about one of the Elder Scrolls series and I would like to repay UESP for its help.So I was wondering if you would be my mentor. Thank you. Skyrimplayer out. ```` — Unsigned comment by Skyrimplayer (talkcontribs) at 18:56 on 15 July 2012

Sure, just let me know if you need anything. There's plenty of Dawnguard info that still has to be filled out. If you have Dawnguard, and you don't mind getting a few spoilers, an easy way to contribute is to edit as you play. Whenever you find a person, place, item or quest added by the Dawnguard expansion, look it up on the UESP and see if there's anything you can add or fix. If you're not certain about a change, just bring it up on the talk page. As you've probably noticed from the edit to your original message, we like for people to sign their talk page comments to keep track of who is saying what. Just add ~~~~ to the end your comments, and the site will sign and date it automatically. Have fun! Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 20:03, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for responding! And no i'm sorry but I do not own Dawnguard, but I own Morrowind,Oblivion, and Skyrim --Skyrimplayer 20:17, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm getting hungry,you won't like me when I'm hungry--Skyrimplayer 20:22, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Oh, well, still plenty of normal Skyrim pages that could use some work, I'm sure. And there's always room for improvement in the Lore section. If you play on a PC, you could also help with images. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 21:15, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
My older brother has skyrim on the PC I'll ask him for permission to get images.Oh and by the way can I have some info on creating a userpage. I would give you a cookie but those aren't good enough.I'll try to figure out how to send you an enchilada.--Skyrimplayer 21:20, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Just click on your name; it will take you to your userpage. You can refer to other users' pages for examples and templates to use. You can mold it to be whatever you wish, so long as you avoid excessive profanity or spam. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 21:36, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the help,while i have been waiting for your responses,I have answered a few questions on the talk pages, even though one unanswered question was from 20007!And about that enchilada,I could not find one you have my humblest apologies.Regards, Skyrimplayer.--Skyrimplayer 01:10, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
I have finished my userpage so if you would like to see it just click on my name.Hey I've almost been a member of UESP for a day! Woo Hoo.Fus.--Skyrimplayer 01:20, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Oh yes and I was wondering.How do you create a new topic on a talk page?--Skyrimplayer 01:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Well, you seem to have figured it out already, as you made this topic. If it's an existing page, just click the button in the lower right-hand corner. If you're starting a talk page, you'll have to enter the formatting yourself: two equal signs, title, two more equal signs, then your message. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 01:38, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

() You can refer to this edit I just made for how we typically format talk pages. We use colons to indent and differentiate responses, then eventually someone will out-dent the conversation. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 01:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Enchilada.jpg

You have been given an enchilada!

Your dedication and diligence to the wiki has not gone unnoticed. A user has seen the progress you've made, and has given you a fully cooked enchilada because of it. Good work! The user had the following to say:

Here is your enchilada! that will be $50!

--Skyrimplayer 01:52, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that looks ... well, it looks. Anyways, you'll want to get in the habit of leaving edit summaries for your edits to briefly explain the nature of your change. It makes things a little easier for reviewers if they have some idea up-front what any given edit was meant to do. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 02:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Is there currently any Oblivion or Skyrim page that needs some information?I'm trying to find something to do to help out the wiki.--Skyrimplayer 02:54, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
You and me both. It's hard to find projects that are worthwhile, especially if you don't know much about how the site operates in the background. Your ability to contribute will depend on your skill set, so you need to learn how to contribute to expand your options. Most ongoing projects are listed at UESPWiki:Task List. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 03:01, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Excuse me Minor Edits,I know that if you post on a talk page that is outdated say from like,2007, you will be informed that your edit is useless.I have a question on this subject.If it is a Question that still needs an answer,or has not even been responded to,would it be all right to post what you believe might fix the problem?I just don't want to go and give an explanation on a talk page and leave that page with the feeling that I have done something helpful,only to check my talk page and see someone post that posting on that talk page was a waste of time.Oh,yes!If you're reading this you must have read my whole post.This is for any one who has read this boring and continous message.Pat yourself on the back.Your boring student,Skyrimplayer.--Skyrimplayer 20:29, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
It's all about relevance to the page and the UESP. I don't know if answering an old question is always "useless", but it is best to just ignore talk page sections which have been dead for more than three months. Exceptions may be possible, like if you want to "bump" a conversation which did not reach a final resolution on a question which is still significant. It's always important to remember that content talk pages are not forums, or help centers. We have forums and a Reference Desk for the idle banter and "please help me!" crowds. The talk pages are only for discussions on improving the associated article. So if someone from several years ago was looking for help on how to navigate a dungeon or find an artifact, there's no point in answering them, especially considering that improvements to the page likely answered the concern long ago. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 21:18, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

() Expanding on ME's response, if you've solved or explained a long-standing bug/issue that's not presented on the article page, that might be an appropriate time to post to an otherwise-dead section. In fact, we have a whole category of what we call "Good Questions", and as you can see on that page, some of them date back to 2008. We mostly want to discourage the pointless responses, as ME outlined. Robin Hoodtalk 21:27, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks guys!Get ready for a thank you!--Skyrimplayer 21:55, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


Enchilada.jpg

You have been given an enchilada!

Your dedication and diligence to the wiki has not gone unnoticed. A user has seen the progress you've made, and has given you a fully cooked enchilada because of it. Good work! The user had the following to say:

Thanks for answering my all my boring questions for the short amount of time that I've been here.Enjoy your meal!PS.If you don't want it I'm hungry.

(:--Skyrimplayer 21:52, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey, Minor Edits!I'm thinking of adding a description for the Lowlifes in the Ratway.It will be short,but it's better than nothing.--Skyrimplayer 22:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
You could give it a shot. Don't be surprised if someone finds a reason to revert or substantially change your edit, though. This will be less likely if you make sure to take into account all the relevant factors, like their radiant aspects, as well as formatting and grammar rules. There's also no need to regurgitate information that's already in their summary. Opinions should also be omitted; our goal is to restate facts, not editorialize. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 23:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your advice.I'm going to venture into the Ratway to see what I can find out.I am convinced that they generally do not wear armor.I will go see if I can confirm this.Wish me luck.--Skyrimplayer 00:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

New NPCs[edit]

Minor Edits!I just discovered an NPC in the Testing Hall!He is not mentioned on this wiki.His name is Vamp Chow!Please respond quickly and tell me if I can create a page for him!--Skyrimplayer 22:59, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Two more a man named Lonely Man and a merchant/trainer.Again in the Testing Hall.--Skyrimplayer 23:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Test NPCs aren't usually documented, though an eception was made for Denyiir, the mechant/trainer/all good things test model. A short discussion about that can be seen on this talk page. The Silencer speaksTalk 23:22, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
There is also a list of Test NPC at the bottom of the peoples page, thats probably the best pace to add them. — Kimi the Elf (talk | contribs) 23:39, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks guys!I'll do what Kimi suggested.(:--Skyrimplayer 00:58, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm not able to add Vamp Chow to the list of Test NPCs.I just come to some blank page called:http://www.uesp.net/w/index.php?title=Oblivion:People&action=submit. How do I add Vamp Chow.Oh yes and in th building he is found in there is an altar that bestows full Vampirism.--Skyrimplayer 15:47, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Did you click on the edit link on the far right side of the "Test" section? That is the easiest way to add to that list. --XyzzyTalk 23:12, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I've been doing this.But it still won't work.Darn it!I'll keep trying though.--Skyrimplayer 00:06, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I tried the the edit button on the top of the page.Then it told me to refresh the page I ended up on.I did this,and my edit had been deleted.(Sigh)I hope this dosen't happen to all the edits I try to make.It dosen't seem to happen on other articles or talk pages though.Could it be a problem with the page?--Skyrimplayer 00:10, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Try this link. —Legoless 13:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Still isn't working.I could'nt even acess this site for a while either.--Skyrimplayer 15:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for my bad grammar.I'm in a hurry.--Skyrimplayer 15:23, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

() Sorry I haven't been responding; I'm going to be quite busy until Thursday. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 22:40, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

It's fine.I understand if you're busy.But not being able to add Vamp Chow is quite annoying!It doesn't happen on other pages though,so I think there might be something wrong with the page.--Skyrimplayer 00:01, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
There's no rush to add it; that list is horribly incomplete, and test NPC information would be much more easily gotten from the CS. —Legoless 00:13, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
OK.I really know nothing about the CS,so there goes my discovery.Oh well,I'm still working on a few other projects,so I still have something to do.--Skyrimplayer 01:23, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Correction etiquette?[edit]

I have never really been a "contributor" to a wiki. I'm very new to TES as well, so I am not the most knowledgeable person on this site. But I did stumble across something that was not caught by the original author of the Dead Drop Falls article. [[3]]

In the Gated Path section, the last sentence states "Your only way out of this room is to open the door to the second zone, Dead Drop Mine." which is not true. There is actually a lever that opens the gate from which you entered the room and it is just to the left of the gate. What is the best way of correcting that without looking like a jerk?

I know, you cannot go back up the hole you dropped in through, but if you wanted to further explore the cavern before proceeding to the next area, it would be a key piece of information that you would not have to complete the next area, then go back around and try to scavenge again. That's three extra loading screens for us console players. :/ Thanks. --Rocklott 23:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Dont worry about looking like a jerk; it's the internet. Everyone looks like a jerk eventually to someone. Just go ahead and make your changes; if something looks funky, someone else will tweak it. Its a wiki; we all fix each others mistakes. Theoretically, at least Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 00:04, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
If it helps, I'm the one who wrote that, and I won't think you're a jerk, Rocklott. :) Obviously I missed that lever when playing, or forgot about it when writing the article. Either way, I put a {{cleanup}} tag on the article back then anyway, because I knew it needed work. Feel free to make any changes you think would improve the page-- that's what the wiki is all about. :) -ABCface 17:41, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Image[edit]

Hey Minor Edits!I was wondering if you could help me out.I'm trying to upload an image of Kill Me.I'm not really understanding what to do.Oh yeah,I'm playing Oblivion on Steam.--Skyrimplayer 17:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I've never uploaded an image before. Console player. All I can tell you is to check the Help article. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 05:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Brotherhood Falls[edit]

What changed was fact. It's already on the discussion page. If you have a single playthrough in which the assassination of the Emperor occurs or is even alluded to by a single NPC in the entire game if you don't engage the Dark Brotherhood quest line I challenge you to present it. Otherwise it is not canon and it has no place in the lore article. If you can't produce it, which I seriously doubt you can since I have several playthroughs through the main quest line and beyond where NPC discussions never progress past the wedding that never occurs in Solitude, then I'm deleting the improper content again.--DagmarH (talk) 18:11, 1 October 2012 (GMT)

FYI, you risk violating the three-revert-rule. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 18:17, 1 October 2012 (GMT)
So what's you solution? Leave inappropriate content in the article because of a bright line rule which isn't even a rule of UESP but the Wikipedia? The content is clearly not proper for inclusion in a lore article. Further my edit wouldn't constitute a third revert. The 3RR of Wikepedia applies to 3 reverts made within a 24 hour period. I've only made one.--DagmarH (talk) 18:27, 1 October 2012 (GMT)
That's a rather aggresive sounding note there Dagmar. This info, if not present in any way kept being added, it is necessary to add it to prevent completely inaccurate info being added. At least this way it isn't definitive. Golden SilenceBreak the Silence 18:30, 1 October 2012 (GMT)
I'm glad you guys are discussing this, but I think it should probably be continued on the article's talk page, in case other lore experts would like to chime in as well. It just makes it easier to keep track of people's opinions. eshetalk 18:36, 1 October 2012 (GMT)

(edit conflict) My broad solution is to not sweat the small stuff, and this certainly qualifies in my opinion regardless, so let's keep things in perspective. My specific solution is to not treat the reader like an idiot. They generally know what's canon, they'll know what those sentences mean. Do an F3 search on UESPWiki:Lore for "canon". We're not in the business of declaring what is or is not canon; that's Bethesda's ball park. We're here to give "accurate and verifiable" information for the benefit of the fanbase. If you don't think this approach qualifies, I suggest taking it up on the Community Portal, as this affects several lore pages. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 18:38, 1 October 2012 (GMT)

On Blackreach[edit]

Recently, actually a few minutes ago, you said that Blackreach was also under Winderhold on the lore page. While when I checked it I belied it was only under the Pale. If you would not mind, or could give me the information, I would like a list of the locations into blackreach, just so I could make a concrete decision on the matter. Edit:I've actually found that not only does it contain areas in the Pale and Winterhold, but also Hjalmarch.--Br3admax (talk) 00:24, 13 September 2012 (GMT)

Cool. I was basing the edit off the overlay picture currently on Blackreach's Skyrim page. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 00:30, 13 September 2012 (GMT)

SR-map-Blackreach-overlay.jpg

Does it really span that much under the surface in the Construction Kit ? Or rather surface entry points are logically connected with Blackreach, whereas geographical alignment is a different story ? — Unsigned comment by Baranello (talkcontribs) at 05:44 on 29 October 2012
Not sure. You'd have to ask the author, I suppose. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 15:28, 29 October 2012 (GMT)

Tel Mithryn age[edit]

I was just wondering if I could get a second opinion on when Tel Mithryn was grown. When talking to the apothecary, you ask her if you grew the tower, and she says neloth did it himself before she was born. When you ask if she was from morrowind, she says that her mother sent her to solstheim on a boat when she was a child WHILE red mountain was erupting. Doesn't that imply that she was alive and able to take care of herself (probably between 5 and 15) in the 4E 5? and since neloth grew tel mithryn before she was born, it had to have happened earlier? I'm unsure of how much speculation and inference someone can put into a lore article, since I haven't really worked on them much. Thanks in advance! Jeancey (talk) 02:15, 10 December 2012 (GMT)

I'm pretty much just disseminating information I've found elsewhere on the wiki at this point. I've barely made it out of Raven Rock. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 02:23, 10 December 2012 (GMT)
Perfect! By the time I had started editing, Varona Nelas, the steward of Tel Mithryn, was already dead in my game. She might have more information about Tel Mithryn and Neloth :P Jeancey (talk) 02:29, 10 December 2012 (GMT)
Good catch on that last name. I didn't even think of that! Jeancey (talk) 03:43, 10 December 2012 (GMT)

Battle of Red Mountain[edit]

Hi. I noticed you are working on the revamp for the Battle of Red Mountain. You probably already know this, but here is some dialogue about Nchardak from Neloth during Path of Knowledge that you might wish to add into the article if you think it's relevant:

"These must be the "Great Workshops of Nchardak". Impressive even in ruins. In the city's days of glory, it was reputed to be able to assembe a complete automaton in a single day. Much of the Dwemer army at the Battle of Red Mountain must have come from here."

also

"Yes... here we are. This device shows the location of four more cubes in this section of the city. It looks like most of the cubes were moved to the lower levels, perhaps to try to control the flooding before the city was abandoned. Interesting. That would suggest that the city must have originally sunk during the first cataclysm of Red Mountain. Or that the Dwemer's servitors continued to try to preserve the city after their creators' dissapearance." --Jimeee (talk) 15:43, 8 January 2013 (GMT)

Thanks! Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 02:15, 18 January 2013 (GMT)

House Cleanup[edit]

Hi, as you are a frequent lorespace editor and the marker for cleanup of Lore:House Redoran, I was wondering whether you could review my attempted cleanup, which is here, and let me know whether I've got the right idea, and what more needs to be done. Thanks, Enodoc (talk) 17:46, 17 February 2013 (GMT)

I made all the changes I intended to make, and went ahead and added them to the article. I think it covers everything you suggested, so I also removed the cleanup template. I plan to go on to the other house articles and clean them up as well using the same ideas; please let me know if I made any style errors before and I'll take those into account when going through the other pages. Thanks, Enodoc (talk) 19:36, 20 February 2013 (GMT)
I'm sorry for the late reply; I'm in the middle of an impromptu break. I'll try to get back here soon. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 04:02, 5 March 2013 (GMT)

Ack! Sorry about that...[edit]

Mouse slipped. I can't believe the rollback function can be done with one click on Recent Changes with no verification step... Oops. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 12:37, 19 March 2013 (GMT)

Should've left it alone[edit]

I actually noticed this a few days ago and thought it was deliberate. If you hadn't have fixed it, nobody ever would've known. :) Robin Hood  (talk) 04:55, 31 March 2013 (GMT)

I think it might have been deliberate, at the time, but looking back on it, I thought it looked stupid. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 05:25, 31 March 2013 (GMT)
Sorry, I couldn't help myself. :) Robin Hood  (talk) 05:18, 1 April 2013 (GMT)
That one was definitely unintentional. And also a little dumbfounding; I'm not sure how that happened. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 05:28, 1 April 2013 (GMT)

Good Call[edit]

Check out the template now; I think I've got you covered for your Oblivion and Aetherial places needs. It still requires a defined continent, for categorization purposes, but displays alternate text if you define your "continent" as Mundus, Aetherius or Oblivion. Also, yes: pay no attention to the accuracy of what is displayed in the rows of my sandbox example; it's there to show all my changes at once, regardless of whether they make sense :) But, I assume, ucwutididthar :P --Enodoc (talk) 20:51, 8 April 2013 (GMT)

Indeed; looks great! Thank you for working on the template; it has needed it for quite some time. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 21:17, 8 April 2013 (GMT)

confirmed=2 ?[edit]

What does confirmed=2 mean, as used by you in your latest edit on Dragonborn:Water Stone, second bug? (As opposed to the standard comfirmed=1) —MortenOSlash (talk) 11:50, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

It is no different. For consistency sake, we usually use confirmed=1, but you could use confirmed=yes, confirmed=15 or even confirmed=flargityblarg. All the template needs is confirmed=(something). Jeancey (talk) 16:21, 11 April 2013 (GMT)
I thought maybe so, but since it seemed so deliberately changed from confirmed=1 to confirmed=2, I wondered if there might be some undocumented thing. —MortenOSlash (talk) 16:40, 11 April 2013 (GMT)
I changed it to be consistent, though now that I said it, I am quite taken with confirmed=flargityblarg... Jeancey (talk) 17:05, 11 April 2013 (GMT)
As the UESP wiki is edited on basis of consensus, all we need is gather enough support for the confirmed=flargityblarg as the standard … —MortenOSlash (talk) 17:46, 11 April 2013 (GMT)
Honestly, I didn't mean to change it. It was deliberate without being intentional, if that makes any sense. I was playing around with the parameter and Show Preview to see if it displayed differently with different values, and I forgot to reset it before saving.
Flargitblarg has my support. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 17:52, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

() Good to hear it was nothing I had missed out on, then. I sometimes get the feeling there is something I obvious I should have known or found out by myself that I am missing, so I have made a good habit to ask to be sure I have not missed. —MortenOSlash (talk) 18:23, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

No problem, I'll get right on it! :Þ HotnBOThered (Talk to Owner) • (Stop That!) 20:17, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

Maps on pages for places not on maps[edit]

I noticed you've been adding maps to some of the Lore:Places pages. This is fine - IF the location the article is about is actually featured on said map. If a location isn't labeled on the map, that map should not be used. It's better to have no map than one which is misleading and doesn't actually feature the location in question. — TheRealLurlock (talk) 12:28, 13 April 2013 (GMT)

I disagree. It's better to include a map of the general location where we know a place can be found than to include no map at all. And that's certainly better than using any of the garbage images of Arena (example). The danger of misleading anyone is virtually non-existent. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 16:32, 13 April 2013 (GMT)

Re: Neloth[edit]

Hi, thanks for the update. I'll add it to the sandbox. On a side note, do you have any thoughts on this issue I raised: Lore_talk:Kvatch#Antus_Pinder --Jimeee (talk) 09:28, 2 May 2013 (GMT)

Borgas[edit]

Hi ME, I hope you don't mind, but I set up a separate Lore:Borgas page and transcluded it one the Lore:People page. I noticed your recent addition to Borgas so I tried to incorporate the parts I missed into the main page. If you can check it out and let me know it's ok? Thanks. --Jimeee (talk) 15:01, 7 May 2013 (GMT)

Looks great! The one little nit-pick I have: While he was a big proponent of the Alessian Order, I'm not sure if Borgas actually outlawed the traditional Nordic worship in Tamriel. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 19:18, 7 May 2013 (GMT)

Magnus[edit]

Hi. I just wanted to point out, I'm not sure if that short sentence really constitutes unnecessarily longwinded, it certainly wasn't my intention. I felt it was somewhat relevant and useful to a reader in the sense that it describes the different actions various et'Ada took: Some (like Magnus) escaped, some stayed and died, some became Ehlnofey. I don't think it's supposed to be a description of the Ehlnofey at all.

Tbh, if we are being *that* strict about what is or isn't directly relevant to Magnus, then the entire third paragraph doesn't qualify because it has nothing to do with him. Probably the part about the Magne Ge too. When I wrote the page, I added these parts because it was a full article, and with these I don't think the content must be 100% about the topic in question. There is certainly leeway to go into other relevant areas. Just my thoughts. --Jimeee (talk) 11:22, 23 May 2013 (GMT)

I just saw your recent edit to the page. Oops!--Jimeee (talk) 11:30, 23 May 2013 (GMT)
Sorry, I'm sleep-deprived and haven't been thinking or explaining myself too clearly. The first couple sentences of the third paragraph seem pertinent, being as they are the immediate aftereffects of Magnus' actions. The last sentence of that paragraph seems like a stretch to me, though. Magnus doesn't really have connection to the Convention. It seems odd to me to single out this one thing as occurring after Magnus departed, especially since there doesn't seem to be a causal relationship between the two. There are many important intervening events between Magnus leaving and the punishment of Lorkhan. The successful revolution of men in Altmora, the sundering of Aldmeris, the forming of the first oceans, etc. Lorkhan's punishment is basically the ending of the general creation story, but it's not really part of Magnus' story. On another note, the phrase "the remaining et'Ada" suggests they all were present at the Convention, and I don't know of a source for this. Some big kahunas were definitely there, but it's easy to forget that the et'Ada we know about are really just the most famous and powerful ones, and there were many, many others. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 12:26, 23 May 2013 (GMT)
Actually, you make a good point about the relevance of the convention part. The way I have worded it seems to imply the meeting happened right after he left, which of course isn't true. I think I did like this because Before the Ages of Man words it similarly: "When Magic (Magnus), architect of the plans for the mortal world, decided to terminate the project, the Gods convened at the Adamantine Tower [Direnni Tower, the oldest known structure in Tamriel] and decided what to do.". I'd be happy to change or even remove that part. As for "the remaining et'Ada" - I had a hard time thinking of how to express this part. I wanted to say "the most prominent", as it certainly seems that way but I went for all et'Ada as this OOG is the best I could do: "Auriel-that-is-Akatosh returned to Mundex Arena from his dominion planet, signaling all Aedra to convene at a static meeting that would last outside of aurbic time."--Jimeee (talk) 12:43, 23 May 2013 (GMT)
And you make a better point that the source material adequately establishes the connection between Magnus' departure and the Convention. That's good enough for me. But you might want to consider removing "remaining". Referring to simply "the et'Ada" in this context could be construed as all of them, or simply the decision-makers of the group, depending on the eye of the beholder. While this vagueness is slightly less informative, it would insulate the page from a possible OOG fallacy. When it says "all Aedra", Nu-Mantia #4 may be referring to the modern concept of Aedra - i.e., the et'Ada who were remembered and became worshipped as gods over time, rather than all the ancestral spirits of Mundus which were around at the time of the Convention. It's unclear how Nu-Mantia is using the term, though we can infer from the sentence "Thus could the Aedra and their cohorts truly covene in realness" that there were other beings, allies of the Aedra, which the term was not meant to encompass in this context. Finally, while there are always inherent reliability concerns with OOG, we're talking about the "Akatosh's spaceship" paragraph of Nu-Mantia. Bethesda hasn't formally denounced it or anything (to my knowledge), but they're about as likely to corroborate this particular section as they are the Loveletter From the Fifth Era, so I personally wouldn't lend it much weight. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 13:48, 23 May 2013 (GMT)

Nice Old Hroldan Lore page[edit]

I did not notice it before now, but I really appreciate it. Puts order to something that could seem like fragmented inconsistencies. It took me a while to puzzle these facts together myself, but I rarely get along to really write things like that out making new pages of it. Well done! —MortenOSlash (talk) 21:43, 25 May 2013 (GMT)

Oh, thanks, glad you like it. Just seemed like it was about time for it to get a page. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 21:47, 25 May 2013 (GMT)

Evaluating Easter Eggs[edit]

Minor Edits, I think you probably meant well, but your creation of your own Easter Egg page is a big slap in the face to me. That Easter Egg page was a chance for me to actually write a page. I don't have the tools or the patience to do a lot of things here, so the Easter Egg page sustained my edits and my interest in the very beginning. I work on the page for a week and I put that page out on the Community Portal specifically to get feedback. Instead of commenting, you create your own page, negate my work and make me look like an idiot just so you could have created the page. How difficult would it have been to just comment with whatever you thought was wrong with it? How does it help the wiki if any people who create new pages just have their work co-opted in the name of "improvement"? This is one of the few times I've tried to create something beyond page tweaks, and I have to say I'm not inclined to do it again if this is the result. --~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 14:41, 28 May 2013 (GMT)

Anil, I understand that you're frustrated, but please remember to keep a civil tone when dealing with other editors. Minor Edits was nothing but polite toward you regarding this project, and it is both rude and unfair to accuse him of being a snob and trying to "steal" your project when he's just trying to help. UESPWiki is a collaborative effort, and its pages don't belong to anyone, not even the editor who did the most work on them. We do our best work when we work together, so please keep that in mind going forward. eshetalk 14:56, 28 May 2013 (GMT)
Seriously, how is the UESP a collaborative effort when a request for feedback leads to someone creating a completely different page on the same subject? I wrote a page, I put it on the Community Portal in an attempt to get other opinions on it, and ME created his own page on the exact same subject. I am not accusing him of plagarism or anything like that, don't get me wrong, but it isn't helpful when he just creates his own page. --~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 15:05, 28 May 2013 (GMT)
He's just making an example to show you his vision for the page, the same way you did. Now you can both discuss it, and get feedback from others, and ultimately arrive at a solution that works best for everyone. eshetalk 15:08, 28 May 2013 (GMT)
I'm very sorry, Anil. It was never my intention to try and steal anything away from you or insult you. I was trying to avoid insulting you by showing you how I imagined the page instead of rattling off a block of text on the CP listing my issues with your draft. That approach may have actually taken me a bit longer, and I don't think it would've been as effective at conveying my thoughts on the matter. I don't care who makes the page, I just want the final product to be as good as we can make it. To that end, I decided to employ a collaborative analysis technique known as thesis, antithesis, synthesis, which I think we've had some success using on the wiki before. By providing an antithesis to your thesis, my hope was not to that your draft would be supplanted by mine, but that a synthesis of their common truths would emerge. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 17:13, 28 May 2013 (GMT)

Credence from a Legend[edit]

I've been trying to work Reachmen history further backwards than where we had it, and I found a few elements of early (First Era) Reachman society mentioned in The Legend of Red Eagle, but I'm not sure how credible the legend should be for historical accuracy. I've added the info I found from that in a comment in the relevant place in my Sandbox for now; what do you think about using the Legend for historical info? You can see the format I've presented the info in, as it stands, in the comment. Also, if you'd like to do any tweaks to the two articles (they're both there; direct links are 1, 2) before I publish them, go ahead.

Thanks, Enodoc (talk) 23:43, 28 May 2013 (GMT)

I don't have any problem with using the The Legend of Red Eagle for historical info. It was written by the Archivist of Winterhold, so it can be assumed he put in some diligence to record the legend as faithfully as he could. We don't have to worry much about the historical accuracy of the legend itself when it's the only source available. We can always clarify as needed when and if we get more info. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 02:34, 29 May 2013 (GMT)
I still haven't read most of it; sorry. But the Reachmen article looks for very presentable. One nitpick: I think the claim about being "two septims short of a pint of ale" from The City of Stone is referring to Forsworn, not Reachmen in general. Other than that, I would launch it immediately. Might be something I haven't seen, but "perfection isn't required" and all that.Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 06:13, 29 May 2013 (GMT)
OK, cool. Thanks for taking a look. --Enodoc (talk) 16:15, 29 May 2013 (GMT)

Silorn Statue Image?[edit]

For your image request, do you want me to upload a new file or replace the current image? --Quill-Tail | trouble? | contribs | 06:34, 26 June 2013 (GMT)

Uploading a new one seems more prudent. Thanks! Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 06:37, 26 June 2013 (GMT)
Here you go: File:OB-place-Silorn 02.jpg Let me know if you need another version. --Quill-Tail | trouble? | contribs | 06:43, 26 June 2013 (GMT)
Excellent; thanks so much! Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 06:45, 26 June 2013 (GMT)

Lore of My Lore Page[edit]

Hey there Minor Edits! Rumor has it that you're one of the best around when it comes to lore. I, however, am not. Regardless, I had the idea and ambition to create lore pages for the Palace of the Kings and perhaps the Blue Palace (and/or any other Skyrim castle that has enough lore to constitute a page). Anyways, I've scrounged what I could find and threw organized it into a this sandbox. If you could do me a favor and review this for me (when you have spare time, of course), I would be greatly appreciated!

Things I'm sort of looking for:

  • Does everything look correct for a lore page?
  • Do you think I missed anything?
  • Is it ready to be launched?

If you'd like, feel free to make any changes you think are necessary, I don't necessarily mind. Thank you so much! *WoahBro►talk 03:32, 7 July 2013 (GMT)

I've never been a strong advocate for adding castles as lore pages. Much like forts, I think it's best to just add a separate section about the castle to the lore page of the parent city to avoid the needless proliferation of lore pages, each of which requires additional maintenance of overlapping content. There's nothing to say about the Blue Palace that can't be covered adequately in a section at Lore:Solitude. Exceptions are truly exceptional, like the White Gold Tower in the Imperial City. Obviously, the White Gold Tower is on a whole different level of importance from the Palace of the Kings. If we're going to have articles on the Palace of the Kings and the Blue Palace, they should just be redirects to sections on the city pages. If I were you, I'd salvage what you can from the page you've created and incorporate it into Lore:Windhelm. You could ask members of UESPWiki:Lore Places Project for other opinions. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 04:38, 7 July 2013 (GMT)

Twil[edit]

I'm sorry it took me so long to respond to this, I'm not really able to devote a lot of my time to the wiki. I only responded because I saw this edit and vaguely remembered being asked about that. Anyway, the reason I put that link is directly because of a forum post by Kirkbride:

King Hrol (seeker/Healer of Kingdom), "from the lands beyond lost Twil". Twil as Twilight. Grey Maybe. Aurbis. His knights numbered "eighteen less one," the number of the Hurling Disk.

Hope this helps. -- Kertaw48 (talk) 11:32, 13 August 2013 (GMT)

No worries, thanks for the cite! Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 19:54, 13 August 2013 (GMT)

High King Torygg Death 4E201 Source[edit]

If you escape Helgen with Hadvar, he tells you that Ulfric murdered the High King a few months ago. If the starting time of the game isn't random, we could have more official source evidence. DGAny Questions? 21:58, 3 November 2013 (GMT)

Great, thanks. I was just confused by the wording of the person's edit summary. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 22:24, 3 November 2013 (GMT)
One more thing. Hadvar saying "a few months" isn't that specific. It could be 3 or 4 months ago. DGAny Questions? 22:28, 3 November 2013 (GMT)