Online talk:Styles

Non-craftable Styles

I am trying to figure out sets' styles that cannot be learned from motifs. I am looking at the icons in one of the archives that Daveh uploaded a couple of days ago, in particular in the eso-icons.zip/gear folder. It looks like Lord's Mail set is "Golden Saint" style, but the longsword from this set is "Akaviri". The Red Mountain set items looks like they are "Ashlander" style (logically), but the head piece looks like it is Orcish (which does not make sense). I am confused :) Can anybody think of any other way to figure out these non-craftable styles?   ~ Shuryard (talk) 23:30, 13 March 2015 (GMT)

I guess one way would be to find them in-game and see if either UespLog or one of the other "Trait and Style" add-ons gives it a specific name. --Enodoc (talk) 16:11, 14 March 2015 (GMT)

UespLog has a tendency to mark items of non-craftable styles as "Breton". Trait and Style add-on is confused with the Red Mountain set even more than I am :) It marks three identical chest pieces, for instance, which look exactly the same, with a random racial style... Well, perhaps I should email support team and see what comes out of it.   ~ Shuryard (talk) 18:25, 14 March 2015 (GMT)

Can we bundle them all into a class of "Unique" (but otherwise unnamed) styles? --Enodoc (talk) 22:52, 14 March 2015 (GMT)

I already started adding them to the Online:Styles page as Non-Craftable Styles. Do you think that would suffice or you had some other way of doing it in mind?   ~ Shuryard (talk) 23:05, 14 March 2015 (GMT)

Sure, that's looking good    :)     --Enodoc (talk) 12:12, 15 March 2015 (GMT)

(←) The Akaviri/Fighter's Guild style can supposedly be obtained from PvP sets. Needs to be added to the page if anyone can confirm. —Legoless (talk) 09:17, 1 May 2015 (GMT)

I can confirm that, I'll try to add it if I manage to find the icons. --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 11:15, 1 May 2015 (GMT)

I can upload the icons, unless you want to do it yourself.  ~Shuryard (talk) 14:14, 1 May 2015 (GMT)

Feel free to upload them (is there a method to mass-upload icons, by the way)? :P Akaviri weapons and shields have three appearance variants: a, b and c. The purchasable items (v10, v12 or v14) are always of the b style. The thing is, you can also obtain these items from a PvP reward mail, and in this case they will be leveled - and it is possible that lower levels use another appearance variants.

On another note, I've found an error in the racial style pages (for example Nord). In the "weapons and shields" section, there are five tiers of appearance linked to specific materials. This is not entirely true. Tier 5, the one at the bottom of the table, can NEVER be crafted (Nightwood/Voidsteel items will be tier 4 instead). Tier 5 items can, however, be obtained by stealing/taking from the world, and on practically any level (they are leveled to the player). I don't know how purchasable items work in all this, I'll need to check. This error exists only for weapons and shields, armor seems to be OK (but low-level high-tier armor can be obtained by stealing as well). I only checked this for Nord style, but I guess it's the same with the other ones. --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 14:26, 1 May 2015 (GMT)

If there is a mass upload method (except for the ftp access), I don't know it. I just like the meticulousness of the icon uploading :)

Concerning the weapon model, yes, so far I've seen them use only model b, even for "Pact's", "Dominion's" and "Covenant's" versions of the Vengeance Leech set, for instance. However, I've never seen a non-veteran version of this set, I'm not sure if it exists. The only time I've seen model a of Akaviri-style sword to be used is the Lord's Mail set, armor for which comes in Golden Saint style...

About the racial styles, they've overhauled the look of the armor and weapons, last summer I think. Perhaps, that's why we have this discrepancy? I miss the support of CS/CK for questions like these :)  ~Shuryard (talk) 16:09, 1 May 2015 (GMT)

The overhaul is not the reason, I have had v14 crafted Nord weapons and a shield for ages and they were always tier 4 and not 5. And I remember having a non-vet Akaviri katana which I got from a reward mail, but I don't remember which variant it was. --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 16:24, 1 May 2015 (GMT)

Fair enough. Just one question for now. Does it have to be "Akaviri (Fighters Guild)"? Can't we simply call the style "Akaviri"? I'm asking because I'm going to create a redirect.  ~Shuryard (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2015 (GMT)

Hm. Both names have some right to be used (the style is named Fighters Guild in that out-of-game book with styles), but for now just naming it Akaviri and making FG a redirect will certainly do. We'll worry when (or if) the actual motif arrives. --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 18:07, 1 May 2015 (GMT)

Ok, I'll create both redirects.  ~Shuryard (talk) 20:40, 1 May 2015 (GMT)

Worm Cult Style?

At least two sets, Robes of the Withered Hand and the Curse Eater set, come in this style. This is how the head piece looks like. The icons folder is called artifactwormcult. I just wanted to make sure "Worm Cult Style" is an ok name for the style before uploading the icons.  ~Shuryard (talk) 03:10, 2 May 2015 (GMT)

That seems fine. Jeancey (talk) 03:16, 2 May 2015 (GMT)

Numbers of new styles

Does anyone with some datamining capability know what the motif numbers are for the 7 new crafting styles? Would like to add them to this list asap. Thanks. Contraptions (talk) 15:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Here's some datamined info, but it might be outdated. —Legoless (talk) 15:45, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added it in for now. Contraptions (talk) 16:45, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

"Internal" style names

Sometimes, I notice that UESPlog displays a different name for a style than the one it's style book gives. And sometimes it just displays "Unknown". I take it it goes by the names used internally by the game engine. The Soul Shriven style armour that can be picked up in Coldharbour during the tutorial is reported as "Knight", I don't know if the same is the case for crafted Soul Shriven. Other styles I've seen are "Nightblade", "Warrior", "Mage" (I think the last two are the Malacath and Trinimac styles?) and "Ranger". Is there some list somewhere over which style corresponds to these names? — Unsigned comment by AngryNord (talk • contribs) at 12:49 on 24 May 2016 (UTC)

I imagine it's something internal, yeah. Best to bring it up here so the correct names can be used instead. —Legoless (talk) 13:19, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Pictures of weapons

I saw that we have some pictures of armour on the various style pages. Should we do the same thing for weapons? What poses/pictures should we take of them if we even do so? Would appreciate some suggestions/input. Thanks! Contraptions (talk) 12:14, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

I would think that the best pose for modelling weapon styles would be weapon drawn, frontal shot with character wearing the same or similar armor style. The background should be something neutral like a wall or the forest. - KINMUNE TALK 12:23, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

A frontal shot is not ideal for weapons, because it is the profile shots which show the weapons' unique styles best. ESO fashion does a rather good job at this, see here - http://eso-fashion.com/axe-by-material-tier/ I do think that the models in underwear are a bit hilarious though. Still, as long as there is consistency in the images, the exact presentation does not matter to me. Tib (talk) 13:04, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Monster Helms

Should we add a section for monster helm sets to the non-craftable style section? The weird Craglorn trial sets probably need a section too, but they're a little obscure. —Legoless (talk) 17:02, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I'll probably name them after the boss itself. I'll also be adding more unique styles seen only on particular characters as well. As for the craglorn trial sets I'll see if I can find a name for those and upload them as well. Contraptions (talk) 17:18, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Might be easier to keep all the monster helms in a single section, to avoid flooding the page with them. They don't have a weight-dependent appearance anyway. —Legoless (talk) 17:25, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Unused Styles

Styles such as Almalexia and Titanborn aren't available from any in-game items and shouldn't really be listed here. Technical or datamined icons would be better off on a separate page like ON:Unused Styles. This also applies to the unused monster helms. —Legoless (talk) 22:15, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Hollowjack Style

The new achievements for the Witches Festival refer to it as "Hollowjack" rather than "Hallowjack" - this page says Hallowjack. - KINMUNE ﴾TALK﴿ 12:27, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

I'll amend it once the official name is confirmed. ZOS's naming can be strange sometimes, like how the Order of the Hour motif chapters have incomplete names. Contraptions (talk) 15:05, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

It's now "Hollowjack" on the PTS, and in datamined info. - KINMUNE ﴾TALK﴿ 09:37, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. Contraptions (talk) 10:27, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Listings

The 4 newest listings have their styles currently listed under the 'Non-Craftable Styles' section,

Hope this helps whomever adds or fixes these to do a copypasta of the info across.

Coolio Wolfus (talk) 21:34, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

That's generally what is done, whenever someone gets around to it. —Legoless (talk) 17:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

If you're talking about the Great House styles, I added them to their own pages. Someone who's seen the data needs to add the materials though, since I dunno them. --MarginWalker (talk) 23:17, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

http://esoitem.uesp.net/itemLink.php?itemid=121519&summary Wrought Ferrofungus is the Telvanni material. --FioFioFio (talk) 23:26, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Two Worm Cult Styles?

I'm confused... What is the difference between this style (this is called "artifactwormcult") and this Worm Cult Style? The first style is used in Worm's Raiment Set and I think it has a different name. -- Earyn (talk) 20:57, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

The first style was called Necromancer, but it was a long time ago. I think that it should be added, but to name for example "Worm Cult (old)". Because judging by the ESOLog it is still used in Worm's Raiment. -- Earyn (talk) 13:47, 5 March 2018 (UTC)