Oblivion talk:Clothing/Archive 1

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Misc. Discussion

Not sure who is interested in mundane clothing items, but this page is a stub in case someone wants to fill it up.

--Thehankerchief 23:44, 25 April 2006 (EDT)

I've added 'trousers' in the previous 'Pants' etc. sections, so as to remove confusion for UK/European players (where pants are regarded as underwear). I've left the actual names of the clothing alone obviously, as that's exactly how they are named in the game. Just wanted to make the description a little clearer.

--Insomnious 00:34, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

I suppose. I just figured use the name the game calls them. Now it looks a little bulky (especially "Pants/Trousers/Skirts". You could change it to just trousers, maybe. Most Americans do know what that means. Or we could go completely neutral and just say "Upper Body" and "Lower Body". Of course then the distinction between clothes that become skirts on female characters and those that don't is lost. Anyhow, I doubt enough people care about this page for it to matter either way. I just started it because I'm really bored... -- TheRealLurlock 00:50, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

After a lot of clothing it says "there is only that many of them", however I belief most of them can also be found on bandits and stuff. For example the shirt with suspenders. Im quit sure that i found one and I'm very sure I didn't kill any of the people written down. — Unsigned comment by Caius Clujix (talk • contribs)

The items that say "there is only that many of them" are not included in any of the random lists, such as those used to equip bandits. So there really are only that many of them. Often, however, there can be other items with the same name that are much more common. For example, there are two types of "shirt with suspenders"; only the one is rare (00064F77), so you likely found the other one (0002858B) that is described as "common lower class clothing". Note the differences in weight and value. --Nephele 10:35, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

does somebody want to add the plug-in clothes and details? I know Mehrunes razor plug-in adds at least one shirt (Drothmeri shirt) and is an easy place to get green robe hoods (all the recruits wear them)--MastaC 04:37, 3 October 2006 (EDT)

Such an addition would belong on the Mehrunes Razor page, as this is the policy we've been using for any items added by plug-ins. --TheRealLurlock

I've noticed that the mage's robes were listed to be worn by many mages and necromancers. I changed necromancers to conjurers. All of the necros I met wore their favorite necro robes. Has anyone seen one wear mage's robes? --Vesna 19:31, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

Yep, it should have been conjurers. The only necros to wear Mage's Robes are the ones in Fort Ontus, who are at first pretending to be mages. Regular necros are all wearing Necromancer's Robes, surprisingly enough ;) --Nephele^Talk 19:48, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

I added to the Tan Robe Hood that one can be found in Cann if the player has installed Shivering Isles. 70.255.2.73 03:06, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

I've added that it's possible to find the Forester's Shirt by pickpocketing Lathon if you have KotN installed, as my brother discovered when he accidentally killed the poor guy. I know this page is Oblivion-specific, but many other clothing items list where they can be found in Shivering Isles. If this is incorrect, terribly sorry for putting it in wrong. D: ~Andi 4:13, 31 October 2008 (MST)

Bracers

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• Note from Mattz: I actually found some leather Bracer somewhere on the 360 version, can't remember where though, has anyone else found these? Oh and i don't know hoe to code the forms so could someone add this in please. Thankyou.

The leather Bracers are just leather Gauntlets (the name in the inventory says bracers, but the details describe them as light armor, gauntlets). --Nephele 15:58, 6 October 2006 (EDT)

i found 1 set of wrist iron(before upgrading) in the Cattle Cage in Deepscorn Hollow at lvl.40

I found a pair of leather bracers at the Archer's Paradox in Bravil.

Apprentice Hood

It's been a while since I played as a Mage character, but I'm almost positive that when I got the Apprentice Robes I also found a matching hood in a shop somewhere. It wasn't matching in name, but it was either green or brown and matched the colours perfectly.

The only hood that is identical in appearance to the non-existent Hood of the Apprentice is the "Grey Robe Hood". But probably a better match for the Robe of the Apprentice is "Green Robe Hood" that can be found in a few different places. --Nephele 22:49, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Yes, that's the one. I just found it in one of my character's cupboards.

Grey Robe Hood

Only one in the game? I've found several on Hedge Wizard bandit types. My game's fairly heavily patched but I can't imagine that having an effect! Rpeh 14:56, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

As far as I can tell, there's only the one. It's definitely not included in any of the leveled lists used to outfit random NPCs. The robe is much more widely available, but not the hood. As for Bandit Hedge Wizards wearing the hoods, I can't see any Hedge Wizards who are even equipped with a hood. So if you're finding hoods on Bandit Hedge Wizards, they must be coming from a mod. --Nephele^Talk 21:42, 4 June 2007 (EDT)

Weightless Clothing

Are weightless clothing items a bug? They make for reasonable clothes for enchanting though so I'm not complaining --McGrude 20:01, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

Given that the only clothing with zero weight is fairly obscure stuff, I'd say probably "Yes", but I did once own a silk shirt that was practically weightless so you never know... --Rpeh^Talk 06:27, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Because Wrist Irons are weightless, is it reasonable to reverse-pickpocket a pair of enchanted wrist irons, like 200 fire damage on self, onto someone that you want dead? --Ducksox 09:55, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Of course, if you don't like the up close and personal way. And since you can just take them off the body when they're dead, you could kill as many people as you wanted with them. --Darkle

About rings...

(exceptions: Shrouded Armor and elven gauntlets both allow rings to remain visible).

I'm sure that Blades Gauntlets allow rings to be visible... — Unsigned comment by 82.18.238.99 (talk)

Correct, Blades Gauntlets also do not hide rings. And it's likely there are other exceptions, too, if somebody wanted to spend the time going through and checking every type of gauntlets found in the game. So instead of trying to provide an exhaustive list, I opted to try tweaking the wording to make it make clear that Shrouded Armor and Elven Gauntlets are not the only exceptions. --Nephele^Talk 13:20, 27 August 2007 (EDT)

Black Hood

I think it should be noted that the Black Hood is visually identical to the Necromancer's Hood. The only difference is the Necromancer's Hood weighs 4 pounds and is worth 8 gold. - Some Random Person Obsessed with Oblivion — Unsigned comment by 71.247.7.134 (talk)

So... apart from the weight, the price, the name and the availability, they're almost identical? Methinks not... --Rpeh^Talk 06:17, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

They aren't physically identical either. According to the CS, they use different models too. The only thing that's the same is the inventory icon. --Saruuk 07:30, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Notice I said VISUALLY identical. - People really should observe what they're contributing to before they rush at the first chance to try to be witty and sarcastic. Also, I acquired a Black Hood and equipped it, then I equipped a Necromancer's Hood thereafter and NOTHING changed...EXACTLY the same. Try it for yourself... - Some Random Person Obsessed with Oblivion.

No, no; I checked the CS. They definitely use different models. Just because you can't tell the difference, doesn't mean that they aren't different... --Saruuk 18:01, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

Sure, can you describe the difference, then? Or are you just trying to stubbornly stand by your argument? - Some Random Person Obsessed with Oblivion

Well... they use a different model... I don't know how much more specific you would like it. For one thing, the Black Hood models are called RobeMCBlack. The Necromancer Hood models are called RobeNecromancer. And if you are arrogant and conceited enough to believe that you are the only one who has the right to adopt a cynical and disparaging tone to your arguments, you've got a lot to learn about life. --Saruuk 02:32, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Alright, alright. Everyone calm down. Random Person, while it may be true that the models look alike (after checking this myself, I do see how identical they appear to be), the fact that they are given different model names in the construction set is enough to warrant that they are different models, regardless of their apperance. Even if they happened to be the same model that had been named differently, for the sake of consistency, we will continue to list them as separate models.

And as for the conduct displayed within this topic, you two need to learn to play nice. As you are not editing under an account, Random Person, I do not know how experienced you are with the conduct of the UESP; because of this, your actions are more forgivable. However, I would appreciate it if you were more civil, regardless of the comments made by others. And Saruuk, I would especially like you to ease up on the insults, as you are a regular contributor and have been chided for this before. I don't mean to preach, but let's all try to get along, okay?SubtleCynicism 03:23, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

The Necromancer's Hood is slightly darker if it comes to that - I just checked. And whilst your original post did indeed say "visually" you then went on to mention the weight and price so I don't think my reply was sarcastic. SubtleCynicism: you're right about being polite but this anonymous user already has a history of winding people up. --Rpeh^Talk 03:34, 30 August 2007 (EDT)

Not really, I don't. People on this site just seem to get ticked off easily. Post simple questions or statements and get replies akin to: "Heh, why are you bothering to type that sentence?! Tsk, tsk, tsk, I don't think so! You are WRONG!!!" What, just because they've spent a lot of time on here making edits and contributions, that gives them the right to be condescending towards me? But anyway, Subtle is right, and I don't feel the need to go back and forth with pointless arguments. No hard feelings to anyone, by the way. - SRPOwO

Robe and Cuirass

Moved from article:

Note: Some NPC's, (e.g., the vampires in Bloodcrust Cavern), can wear a robe and cuirass together!

I doubt that's true. They might be carrying both but only wearing one at a time. This seems fairly clear-cut to me so I've moved it rather than putting a verification tag on, but can anybody justify its going back? --Rpeh^Talk 03:06, 9 October 2007 (EDT)

This is actually true. I frequent Fort Carmala and on one occasion I had a hard time killing a vampire Altmer sorcerer or mage wearing a black robe, when the job was done and I went to loot his corpse it showed he was also wearing an ebony cuirass. Both items were highlighted blue so it stuck in my mind as a little odd. Mages are never carrying heavy armor items and NPC's do not carry armor that they do not have equipped. I'm playing on the PS3 version if this makes any difference.

just wanted to fix that irritating box thing. Though I should mention, even though this is old, that I have noticed some npcs wearing both robes and armor.

I saw a mythic dawn guard in a cage in an oblivion gate and he had the armor and a tan robe was equiped.

Wrist Irons

It says wrist irons are the only article that can be worn on the wrists, but the Bands of Kwang Lao are worn on the wrists as well. 68.166.66.223 12:49, 21 December 2007 (EST)

The article says "There is only one article of clothing worn on the wrists" and that's true. The Bands of Kwang Lao are armor, not clothing; all other bracers and gauntlets in the game are also armor items that are worn on the wrists, as already explained in the article. --Nephele^Talk 12:56, 21 December 2007 (EST)

Emperor Robe Female Mesh

Could you create a female character, use the console to give her the robes, and put them on her, Rpeh? --Dagoth Ur, Mad God 22:43, 4 March 2008 (EST)

I'm not Rpeh, but i do know that the Emperor's Robe has no female version, so if you'd equip it on a female character, it would look like the male robe.--LordDagon 11:51, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Red Silk Robes and Hood

Frathen Drothan wears both maybe someone should add that.

But it's enchanted....77BeTa77 17:48, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

You can find both Red Silk Robe and Hood at Rindir's Staffs in the Imperial City Market.

Forester's Shirt

Should it be noted that the Drothmeri Tunic is visually identical to the Forester's Shirt? I know that it is not weightless like the Forester's Shirt, but I still think that it should be included in the article.— Unsigned comment by Imperial Scum (talk • contribs)

Actually, I think the Drothmeri Tunic is triangular in the front, but, the forester's shirt is rectangular.Puddle 01:26 April 14, 2008.

Uh, no they are visually identical. At least on a male character.--Imperial Scum 21:07, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

Shirt with Suspenders

Dranas Lerano from the Fighter's Guild quest The Unfortunate Shopkeeper wears one.

Aldos Othran in Cheydinhal also wears one.

There's TWO more in Goblin Jim's Cave.

As stated in the article, the Shirt with Suspenders is Common lower class clothing. Which means it's not worth starting to list all the dozens of places where you can find one. Also note that there are two different versions of this shirt. Although identical in name, the second version is a weightless shirt. Because it is weightless, it is of particular interest to some players. And the weightless version is also rare, which is why it has a list of locations where it can be found. The shirts that you've been listing are all examples of the common variety that weighs one pound and therefore are not at all noteworthy. --Nephele^Talk 17:54, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

This should be clarified. 68.41.145.24 14:08, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Nephele's explanation was quite clear, so I'm not sure what you mean. --Timenn < talk > 17:13, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

I have a feeling that 68.41.145.24 means it should be clarified on the article, even though it is quite clear there anyways. Darkle 17:45, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Emperor's Robes

Is there any way possible to get the Emperor's Robes on the Xbox 360 version??

Yes, in fact. You have to start a game, make shure you dont deliver the amulet to jauffre, and you also CANNOT start the Dark Brotherhood Quest where you have to sneak into the prison. Ok, now all you do is get the Staff of Worms from completing the Mage's Guild Quest to kill **SPOILER** Mannimarco, the King of Worms **END SPOILER**. After you get that, do Vaermina's Daedric quest and recieve the Skull of Corruption (staff). Now that you have the 2 staffs, go into the Imperial City sewers where you escaped and backtrack to the room where the emperor died. He should still be there along with Baurus. Now, resurrect him with the Staff of Worms, then when hes standing there use the Skull of Corruption on him. Then when his clone appears, kill the clone, and as the clone is falling to the ground dead, get up real close to it, and point your crosshair at it. Now save your game before the clone hits the ground. Now load that save game, and as it is loading, press A continually at the loading screen. When it is finished loading, the clone's inventory should appear on screen allowing you to loot the Emperor's Robe and Emperor's Shoes. (SIDENOTE: for some reason, you get an extra pair of shoes)

Hope that helps.

                --ArchAngel

.......Or you can go the testing hall. Theres a process for doing this on the xbox, you have the get mages tower save your game there. Then delete it off your harddrive, and your suposed to show up there when you load back. (michael?)

Could you explain how to get to the emperor's robes from teh test world? Simply saying you can doesn't help much. Darkle 16:18, 11 July 2008 (EDT)

Surely then this process could be posted up on this page (or perhaps make a seperate page on the Emporers clothes. Or at least someone should remove the "there is no way to get these robes other than by cheating!" as you aren't technically cheating, merely exploiting a loophole the developers left open in the tutorial process. Additionally, even if it is cheating, people should be informed of how to get the robes, if not just for the fun of swaggering about in the unique and by far - best looking robes in the game! - Chippie 16:48 20th July 2008

If you mean the frostcrag spire glitch the could you explain where they are in the testworld becuase ive never been to the testworld and would like to get the robes and as one of the above comments mentioned just sayin you can get them there isnt helping very much--LuciusZelgius 16:11, 22 November 2008 (EST)

Clothing Effect

Just to ask: is there any effect from the mundane clothing on the NPC? Like upper class NPC will more likely to react positively when you are wearing expensive outfits?

In a word: No. There are only two places where clothing is even mentioned (Whodunit? and Sanguine) but even there it's not actually important. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 02:08, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

Short Britches

(Moved from the main page) Lucky the Cat Guy made a note that claims Rohssan does not wear the Short Britches, but rather blacksmith pants. Can we get confirmation on this please? I'd check myself, but would rather not set up my xbox at the moment. --Alphaman^•T• 23:57, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

I just checked and she does have them on her person, even if she chooses to wear something else (and being one of two locations where they exist is the important thing).--Alphaman^•T• 00:40, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

Wrist Irons duplication

I've moved these two comments from User talk:GuildKnight and Oblivion talk:Glitches. --GuildKnight^Talk2me 18:17, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

Wrist Iron

From "Oblivion:Glitches" talk

Recently I tried to duplicate wrist irons, but they wont duplicate. They just show up on the floor in a stack like, Wrist Iron (100), but i only have one when I pick it up. Since it has no value, I can't buy it and sell it back, can anyone help on this? I am using the scrolls to duplicate. — Unsigned comment by 65.13.159.146 (talk) on 17 September 2008

It IS possible to duplicate Wrist Irons, through the Skull of Corruption and the Staff of Worms glitch. I have done it and they are fully functional, can be enchanted and stay in inventories after saves and loads.— Unsigned comment by TipsterforOblivion (talk • contribs) on 6 August 2009

Wrist iron duplication bug in Oblivion

From "User:GuildKnight" talk

I saw that you knew a lot about Oblivion, and wanted to know if you know how to fix this.

Whenever I try to duplicate wrist irons with scrolls, they just fall to the ground in stacks, like wrist iron (100), I don't know what to do.

I already posted this on the glitches page but nobody will answer. — Unsigned comment by Can'treadtheElderScrolls (talk • contribs) on 17 September 2008

If at any time you type into the search bar on the left side of the page "Wrist Irons", it will redirect you to Oblivion:Clothing#Wrist Irons which states, "They cannot be duplicated using either the arrow or scroll duplication glitch." --GuildKnight^Talk2me 18:17, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

It is possible to duplicate the Wrist Irons with the scroll duplication glitch. However, not in Vanilla Oblivion. But, after getting all the Wrist Irons from the Official Mods, I was able to dupe them. I'm not sure that it was the fact that I got them all, but somewhere along the way, the Wrist Irons became dupe-able. I only play on the 360 by the way. Darkle 20:27, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

However, I should probably add for sake of clarity, simply having all the Official Mods does not make the Irons dupe-able. It's just that one/some of the Irons gotten from those Mods are dupe-able, and since they all stack with each other, they all become so. --Darkle 22:58, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Arch-Mage's Shoes

I noticed that the Arch-Mage's Shoes aren't listed on the page. Could someone who knows the BaseID please add them. — Unsigned comment by 75.108.14.92 (talk) on 2 February 2009

There's no such item in the un-modded game. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 00:36, 2 February 2009 (EST)

Child Overalls

For anyone with the time, what do Child Overalls look like equiped? Kestral 21:59, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

You can't equip them because they're not marked as "playable", but the model they're assigned in the CS is identical to Fishing Waders so they'd look like that. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:27, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

You can equip them to people. Here's a screenshot of it. [1] And yes, that is the Archmage of the mages guild wearing it.

Tan Robe

Isn't Baeralorn also wearing one of the rare tan robes?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Image:Baeralorn.jpg — Unsigned comment by 87.127.79.8 (talk) on 26 April 2009

Nope. The base robe used is indeed a tan robe but, as specified on the 'inventory' part of his page, he wears the enchanted Robe of Deflection. --SerCenKing ^Talk 12:22, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

Blue Silk Shirt

I don't know if it was random clothing or not, but I found a blue silk shirt at red diamond jewelry in the market district. — Unsigned comment by 67.183.28.2 (talk) at 21:25 on 25 May 2009

Yes, the Red Diamond is the other fixed location for it, though that one's in an unpickable locked case, so you must buy it (not that that should pose any great difficulty unless you're destitute). --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 18:48, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

You actually don't "have" to buy the shirt if you really want it for free. The key to the lock is on the owner of the store (don't remember his name) but the key is labeled the "Bit and Bridle key" (if I remember correctly) and can be pickpocketed from him while he is sleeping and probably when he is awake I assume. The alternative is also to kill him and loot it from his corpse.

Quest-Related Clothing

This edit [[2]] establishes a split between commonly-found apparel and those found only via a quest (or, rather, items neccessary to complete a quest). By that grace, why is Blackheart's Ring on the Clothing page while Ancotar's Ring of Protection is on another page, for example? You can, at least, continue to wear Ancotar's ring after the quest is finished, which cannot be said of Blackheart's (or the Colovian Signet Ring, for that matter). —Dark Spark 14:27, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

You do bring up a good point. However, Ancotar's Ring is in the right place. I am not able to get to the game currently and check to see if the Blackheart Ring is a quest item. If it is, I support that it be moved to the Quest Items section. --Mr. Oblivion 14:34, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

Actually, I'd argue that this section should only be for miscellaneous items (i.e., items in the MISC category in the construction set; or, equivalently, items that appear in the miscellaneous section of your inventory) that are quest items, given that the section is located on the Miscellaneous Items page. It already states in that section that it is not a complete list of quest items (which instead is provided in the Oblivion-Quest Items category). Furthermore, the format of the Miscellaneous Items page is not appropriate for most non-miscellaneous items, because it does not accommodate extra item statistics (weapon damage, armor rating, clothing type, etc.). Therefore, I don't think that Ancotar's Ring is currently in the correct place. --Nephele^Talk 15:17, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

I am willing to figure something out for this tid-bit of confusion, if given enough time. Thanks for the correction Nephele! --Mr. Oblivion 15:32, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

Tattered Hood

I want the tattered hood but i dont know how to do the reverse pick pocket thing, how do i do it? — Unsigned comment by 74.183.159.247 (talk) on 22 December 2009

See here for details. --SerCenKing ^Talk 19:03, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

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