Lore talk:Redguard

Source?

"They generally possess dark skin, ranging from light brown in hue, to nearly black, and often with a significant red tint. This depends on the degree of Nedic blood they possess, as most Forebears have at least some, having lived along side Nedic settlers for centuries.

Never heard of this before, and it sounds interesting. Is there a source for it? — Unsigned comment by Temple-Zero (talk • contribs) at 15:16 on 3 August 2008‎

Recent Updates

Added a reference to Redguard in the 'See Also' section, thought it deserved a mention as it prominently deals with the Redguard race. 81.103.168.53 19:02, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

On a side note, why the odd commentaries on intelligence in the anthropology section? The others may be observations drawn from the games and are acceptable, but the other point seems to cite no sources. — Unsigned comment by 81.103.168.53 (talk) on 23 August 2010

It'll need cleaning up at some point unless a reference can be found. rpeh •T•C•E• 19:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Communist

No offence, and i am not a communist. But i am a bit curious. Does Redguard linked about Red Guard........ Really no offence Don't scold me(Vvardfell 03:54, 25 August 2011 (UTC))

I doubt it. --Legoless 14:57, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Pantheon

I've added the Yokudan pantheon to the Redguard page. Tommy Bozzer 20:23, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

I've removed it, on the grounds that it was duplicate info taken from the "gods" index. A sentence/section about the pantheon would be nice, but that level of detail isn't appropriate for the race page. --Legoless 20:45, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Wars

I've added the War of Bend'r-Mahk to the lore page and I'll elaborate on it soon. Tommy Bozzer 22:57, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

It's not the right place for that. Check out this, and please make any updates there. rpeh •T•C•E• 09:03, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Redguard and Daedra

Is there anything known about the Redguards relation to daedric lords and worshipping? I can't remember any Redguards near a daedric shrine, as a daedric worshipper or on a pilgrimage in any of the games I played. --79.194.20.194 21:41, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

There are plenty of Redguard worshippers in Oblivion (e.g., Kewan) and Morrowind (e.g., Jathlanie). There are also a substantial amount of Redguards present in the Shivering Isles. --Legoless 22:00, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Or Haekwon... I wasn't really aware of them. The article doesn't mention anything daedrical however, which led to my confusion. Thanks (: --79.194.11.181 07:07, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Race Type

Technically, Redguards aren't man nor mer. They are their own thing from Yakuda, and they should be labeled as such. — Unsigned comment by 72.131.46.64 (talk) at 06:34 on 3 September 2013

See Lore:Pocket Guide to the Empire, 1st Edition/Skyrim. "[A]ll the human races, with the exception of the Redguards, are descended from Nordic stock". They're considered humans. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 06:41, 3 September 2013 (GMT)

Tiber Septim

It now says that they were easily taken over by Tiber Septim however doesn't that undo all of The Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard? — Unsigned comment by Medwin (talk • contribs) at 13:28 on 17 April 2014

They were taken over easily, then there was a rebellion {i.e., the events of Redguard) leading to the Second Treaty of Stros M'kai. Insignificant Revisions^{Threats•Evidence} 18:31, 17 April 2014 (GMT)

Revamp

I'm almost done (I think) with an update of this page, which can currently be seen here. But there's one portion I thought I should get a consensus on before adding it:

"Occasionally, Satakal will destroy everything to begin anew, and the spirits who manage to find a way to survive are those who can move at "strange angles" to stride between one world and the next, and thus enter the Redguard pantheon of gods. Redguard mythology, history, and way of life is characterized by this theme: progression and violence is necessary for survival and prosperity. They see life as a battle, and battle as a dance or a song. This mentality is exhibited in such writings as The Manifesto of Make Way, How the Yokudans Chased the Stars, and The Book of Circles."

So, does anyone have any problems with this passage? Any suggestions for improvement to it or the draft in general? Insignificant Revisions^{Threats•Evidence} 23:30, 18 August 2014 (GMT)

Okay- went ahead and posted the revamp with the last sentence above omitted for now. I think it's worthy saying, though. Other topics we might want to touch upon, but which have only limited and circumstantial support from what I've seen, are the paternal nature of their culture, as well as the fact that they seemed to have regressed a bit culturally since leaving Yokuda (one or two sources lament the knowledge they've lost since then). There's also the issue of the HoonDing: from what I've seen, it's basically been concluded by lore buffs that the reference in Varieties of Faith to the two appearances of the HoonDing during the Ra Gada invasion are referring to Frandar Hunding and his son. Might not be most directly relevant to this page, though. But anyways, I'm done with it for the moment. Insignificant Revisions^{Threats•Evidence} 22:17, 19 August 2014 (GMT)

Transclusion

The page is transcluding incorrectly, with "}}" appearing at the start. This fixed it, but I don't have a clue how to use {{nst}} so I've reverted for now. —Legoless (talk) 00:00, 20 August 2014 (GMT)

That was correct, so its back in. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 00:17, 20 August 2014 (GMT)

Well that fixed the errant braces on transclusion, but the original switch to {{nst}} broke the original functionality, which was to hide the image in the Online namespace, but show it in all others. Not sure exactly why that's the case, but it's the same for every other race so I put it back. -- Hargrimm^(T) 00:23, 20 August 2014 (GMT)

Nst template is to replace all #if calls for namespaces. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 00:30, 20 August 2014 (GMT)

I just removed it altogether. I think it was put in place in the early days of the Online namespace, but it was no longer required. Online now works just like every other namespace. – Robin Hood  ^(talk) 02:18, 20 August 2014 (GMT)

Best Natural Warriors?

"Redguards are the most naturally talented warriors in Tamriel." is the first line on the page, yet in the given source there is no such line, the closest thing is saying Hammerfell is "Home to the finest warriors" which has been written about pretty much half the races of Tamriel at one point. Even if the book did say this, which it does not; it certainly could be debated and contradicted by other writings. Andiy (talk) 18:55, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

I'ts been their defining feature since at least Morrowind; that phrase was lifted directly from the racial descriptions featured in the last few games (example). Their swordsmanship is unparalleled, as evidenced by the Yokudan sword-singers and the common attempts to emulate them into modern times. So it's not really up for debate. —Legoless (talk) 19:17, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

hey, if it's straight out of the game, nevermind. Hope you don't take my curiosity the wrong way, have been a reader for a while and respect for you guys, thanks for the feedback and quick response! Andiy (talk) 19:46, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Not at all, it was good to bring it up. I'll go ahead and add a reference to prevent future confusion. —Legoless (talk) 20:40, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

Grandee/Grandeya

What exactly is a Grandee? I've seen it used for Grandee Yaghoub and some random characters in ESO so it must be some sort of position. I assume maybe it's related to war but I don't know. I also think it's something like a Baron or a Count because Grandeya Nuwarra is the leader of Hallin's Stand. Does anyone have an idea? --Vincentius1 (talk) 20:32, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Grandee is a real word and relates to nobility in Spain. In TES its pretty much the same - Grandee is a title that is typically held by Redguard nobility. Some of them, like Yaghoub, led armies too. --Jimeee (talk) 23:36, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Oh okay, so with that being said, it isn't necessarily a type of leader, it's just a noble status. --Vincentius1 (talk) 00:40, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Religion: please add link to article about Tu'whacca

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tu%27whacca — Unsigned comment by 83.251.118.23 (talk) at 20:49 on 20 March 2021 (UTC)

There was already a link lower down the page. I've moved it up. —⁠Legoless (talk) 20:52, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Chief Tazgol?

Any particular reason Chief Tazgol, the Orcish Chieftan, is listed as a Sword singer? The article specific to him doesn't say anything and of course, big green elephant in the room, he's not a Redguard.--Taman96 (talk) 00:23, 18 March 2022 (UTC)