User talk:Hagrin Frost-Eye

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Licensing of Image Uploads

Hey there! Thanks for your contributions to the wiki so far. I just wanted to check on the copyright license for images which you have uploaded from legalalien. That website is a privately-owned website; it isn't a "website owned by Bethesda Softworks" and therefore the Fair Use license doesn't apply. We therefore need to check what permissions we do have to upload those images here. Could you please confirm whether you have contacted Hugh Riley to ask whether we can re-use those images here? Thanks! — Wolfborn^(Howl) 23:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Ah no, I have not been in contact with Hugh Riley, I apologize for the mistake. Since his website is up, I imagine it could be possible to ask him. I uploaded these as I noticed that the chest armor texture was uploaded here by an established user about a year ago, so perhaps they were/are able to contact Mr. Riley for permission. Hagrin Frost-Eye (talk) 23:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Another Welcome!

Hi there and welcome! Thanks for all the great contributions so far! You're doing a great job at preserving obscure TES media and just wanted to say it's great to have all those pre-release images on the wiki. I know I keep moving them around but it's because of strange placement more than anything. I also wanted to ask where are you getting some of the concept art in such high quality? -Tarponpet (talk) 03:35, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Hey thanks Tarponpet, I'm happy to help out! Feel free to continue to adjust my formatting as needed, It's fantastic to make our contributions are as good as they can be. I've been doing quite a bit of trawling through the internet archives and have been able to find quite a lot of goodies that haven't been archived here yet. I specifically found the concept art for Morrowind on archives of the official French and German sites for the game, morrowind-fr.com, and morrowind.de from back in Morrowind's hey-day. This old official listing of TES websites and fan-sites on the Internet Archive has been a big help in my contributions, if you'd like to take a dive yourself! Hagrin Frost-Eye (talk) 03:50, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

If you don't mind me asking, are you on Discord or any other messaging platform? -Tarponpet (talk) 00:03, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

No problem at all, I am slightly active on discord, and I've seen you active on some of the UESP discord channels from time to time, so I'll be able to send you a private message here shortly. Hagrin Frost-Eye (talk) 00:09, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Look forward to it. -Tarponpet (talk) 00:29, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Pre-Release Screenshots

Nice job with all the archival work you've been doing! I noticed you've been adding a lot of pre-release promotional screenshots to different gamespace and lore articles. Generally, we try to use UESP screenshots taken in-game rather than pre-release material. Great to have those images on Morrowind:Screenshots, but per our image standards they're not ideal for use on other articles. —⁠Legoless (talk) 11:57, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, Legoless! I'm more than happy to help the UESP after its been there for me for so many years. I appreciate you reaching out and giving me a heads up. I plan to only include a limited selection of these pre-release images in relevant articles and topics. Images with UI elements will not be added in game or lore articles, and further images I add will showcase something interesting/relevant to the lore/game, such as enemies appearing to work together in combat, or a passenger boarding a Silt Strider, for example. I also noticed you adjusted the images I added on the Raven Rock pages to accurately caption them as pre-release images. Thank you for doing this, and I will do it as well going forward.

I'm still pretty new to editing for the UESP, so feel free to give me additional guidance for these images if needed, and I can adjust! Thank you. Hagrin Frost-Eye (talk) 16:17, 28 February 2025 (UTC)

Battlespire Conversations

Hey Hagrin, I've been making quite a few updates to Battlespire and noticed you were making a fair number of updates as well to the monster/NPC conversation sections and thought I'd message you as you appear to be interested in those which is something I'm really not and hadn't planned on doing myself. However, I do have some knowledge on that you may want to flush those out a bit more.

PUT/TAKE
The format for those is basically <ItemID>_<SubTypeID>. For most of the items the SubTypeID is the EnchantmentID; however, for books (32) and scrolls (21) that is the 3 digit number at the end of the book/scroll's text file name. 10000 is used where there is no subtype (they use that value alot for that purpose for various things internally).

Here's a list of all the PUT/TAKE values and the item it matches to:

ConvFile	Code	Name
CH1	21_033	Scroll: Chimere's List
CH1	14_5016	Spear of Bitter Mercy
CV1	13_1010	Staff of the Typos Sophia
DG1	31_9039	Meht Sigil
DK1	0_4012	Dagger of the Open Soul
DR5	31_9017	Quam Sigil of Entry
DT3	32_002	Book: Spirit of the Daedra
FR1	24_4011	Helmet of the Fire Opal
FS1	35_10000	Gatekey
FT1	27_4010	Greaves of the Ice Crystals
IM1	21_040	Scroll: Neonymic List
IM1	35_10000	Gatekey
RL1	30_10000	Voidguide
RL1	31_9026	Zyr Sigil of Entry
WN1	7_2017	SCOURGE, Blessed of Malacath (Mace)
WN1	30_10000	Voidguide
WR3	24_5010	Helmet of the Savior's Hide
WR3	25_5011	Cuirass of the Savior's Hide
WR3	26_5012	Pauldrons of the Savior's Hide
WR3	27_5013	Greaves of the Savior's Hide
WR3	28_5014	Boots of the Savior's Hide
WR3	29_5015	Gauntlets of the Savior's Hide
XM1	35_10000	Gatekey
ZN1	31_9018	Roht Sigil of Entry

The SUMMON command is somewhat similar, using <MonsterAbbrev>_<Count>.

Inventory Variables
There are number of variables that are set based on what you have in your inventory/equipped. The variable names aren't too hard to parse but I went ahead and listed them here. It's not structured the same way internally (it's embedded in the executable) but I sorta reformatted it to match the table above.

ConvFile	Code	Name
Armor	24_5010 AND 25_5011 AND 26_5012 AND 27_5013 AND 28_5014 AND 29_5015	Helmet of the Savior's Hide AND Cuirass of the Savior's Hide AND Pauldrons of the Savior's Hide AND Greaves of the Savior's Hide AND Boots of the Savior's Hide AND Gauntlets of the Savior's Hide
Case	40_10000	Spear Case
Cess	31_9003 OR 31_9029	Cess Sigil of Entry OR Cess Sigil
Dagger	0_9405	Dagger of the Potent Heart
InvVoidguide1	30_10000	Voidguide
Iya	31_9009 OR 31_9035	Iya Sigil of Entry OR Iya Sigil
NotArmor	24_5010 OR 25_5011 OR 26_5012 OR 27_5013 OR 28_5014 OR 29_5015	Helmet of the Savior's Hide OR Cuirass of the Savior's Hide OR Pauldrons of the Savior's Hide OR Greaves of the Savior's Hide OR Boots of the Savior's Hide OR Gauntlets of the Savior's Hide
NotReiver	3_8011	Broad Sword of the Moon Reiver
Pauldron	26_1011	Pauldrons of Lord Methats
Payem	31_9016 OR 31_9042	Payem Sigil of Entry OR Payem Sigil
Reiver	3_8011	Broad Sword of the Moon Reiver
Scourge	7_2017	SCOURGE, Blessed of Malacath (Mace)
Tayem	31_9020 OR 31_9046	Tayem Sigil of Entry OR Tayem Sigil
WarAxe	6_9412	War Axe of Profane Vitality
WearAmuletD	31_9004 OR 31_9030	Doht Sigil of Entry OR Doht Sigil
WearAmuletH	31_9008 OR 31_9034	Hekem Sigil of Entry OR Hekem Sigil
WearAmuletM	31_9013 OR 31_9039	Meht Sigil of Entry OR Meht Sigil
WearAmuletO	31_9015 OR 31_9041	Oht Sigil of Entry OR Oht Sigil
WearAmuletR	31_9018 OR 31_9044	Roht Sigil of Entry OR Roht Sigil
WearAmuletU	31_9021 OR 31_9047	Yoodt Sigil of Entry OR Yoodt Sigil
WearAmuletW	31_9023 OR 31_9049	Web Sigil of Entry OR Web Sigil
WearAmuletZ	31_9026 OR 31_9052	Zyr Sigil of Entry OR Zyr Sigil

Note that the two "Not" variables are precisely that, those are flagged true if you do not have those.

ENDFRAME
The number for those is the index for the text record to display from TEXT.RSC describing whatever horrible end you reached.

COMMAND
The number sets the monster's goal or attitude, not entirely clear on how this works as monsters will sometimes do whatever despite what is set. In conversations, only 4 and 13 get set so it's a bit simpler. 4 looks to be hostile but doesn't _always_ cause them to attack if they weren't already (usually do) and 13 tells them to hold position and not attack (may initiate conversation next time you come into range, a bit random though).

MONSTERRALLY
Appears to cause all other monsters in the area (no idea range though not overly large) to target whoever the "rallier" is targeting (you).

File Mapping
Lastly, this how it picks what conversation file to use. There is a table in the executable that contains a "generic" mapping of enemy types to conversation files with up to 5 types defined (it just repeats the last one to fill out the table when less than 5 types in the level). Additionally, specific monsters (and all NPCs) can have a conversation file specified in the level's BS6 file that will override the generic file.

This is the table:

Level	Monster1	ConvFile1	Monster2	ConvFile2	Monster3	ConvFile3	Monster4	ConvFile4	Monster5	ConvFile5
1	Scamp	SK1	Vermai	VM1	Dremora	DR1	Dremora	DR1	Dremora	DR1
2	Scamp	SK2	Vermai	VM2	Dremora	DR2	Spider Daedra	SD1	Spider Daedra	SD1
3	Skeleton	SN1	Ghost	GH1	Wraith	WR1	Morphoid Daedra	MD1	Morphoid Daedra	MD1
4	Fire Daedra	FR1	Frost Daedra	FT1	Dremora	DR4	Seducer	SR1	Dark Seducer	DS5
5	Fire Daedra	FR2	Frost Daedra	FT2	Dark Seducer	DS1	Herne	MA1	Herne	MA1
6	Clannfear	CF1	Herne	MA3	Seducer	SR5	Daedra Count	ML1	Daedra Count	ML1
7	Daedra Count	ML2	Daedra Lord	DL1	Dark Seducer	DS3	Wraith	WR2	Wraith	WR2
8	Daedra Count	ML2	Daedra Lord	DL1	Dark Seducer	DS3	Wraith	WR2	Wraith	WR2

Yes, the table has a level 8 that is identical to 7, I don't know why but there are numerous tables with that exact L7/8 duplication throughout the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anyhow, great work and hope this is useful to you in your efforts.

Draxinusom (talk) 17:42, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you for giving me this insight. I've been fiddling around in the game's files but you've helped illuminate some questions I had while getting the voices extracted. This will be extremely useful for discerning the conversation trees and their outcomes. I'm sure I'll be coming back to this message many times while I comb over more of Battlespire's files, voices, animations, and sounds. With the unused dialogue from the Daedra Seducer I found, I'm quite curious to see how many more secrets this game will hide. Your work on the game has been great, and I'm happy to see multiple of us giving this old game better documentation.

Thank you again, and happy editing! Hagrin Frost-Eye (talk) 20:42, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Looking for hidden things, lol, you have no idea :P

Anyhow, since you're poking at files and trying to figure some of these things out, I tossed a couple of the docs I put together up here and, while they're documented under the saved game format page (I'll probably split that out to a separate page once I add the BS6 file format), the enumerations list might help some things make more sense too.

Draxinusom (talk) 22:15, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

good editor

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--ErfXploded (talk) 21:24, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Glad to be a General Space Warrior. Hagrin Frost-Eye (talk) 21:49, 1 June 2025 (UTC)