Online talk:Ferntusk

Faction

Why pets are given the status of a faction member? More examples: Smarbjorn and Bitters. I copied this practice as well, e.g., Grish, but always wondered :)  ~Shuryard (talk) 03:25, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

To be honest, I'm not sure they should. Jeancey (talk) 05:20, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

We noted animals as faction members in Oblivion (Sparky and Mojo are two examples). It was actually noteworthy that they were members of the faction as well, since you could get expelled from the guild they belonged to if you attacked them. So if similar consequences are possible with these pets in ESO, it'd probably be a good idea to leave this information on the page. Forfeit (talk) 05:39, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

It's not. Pets in ESO are passive and you can't kill them, and killing members of your faction currently only has the standard Justice consequences. --Enodoc (talk) 11:55, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

If we're not treating pets as faction members, then what about Wenyand? Grothuska? Shadowed Path Lich? There's plenty of times where creatures associate with a faction by attacking the player. If we list pets as residents of a faction guildhall, that seems like just as much of an association. —Legoless (talk) 13:25, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

Enemy creatures that act on behalf of a faction should be considered part of a faction. Pets as residents is not a proper comparison, being resident doesn't make them part of a faction. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 13:36, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

I agree that activeness can be the main criterion here, even for pets. I am wondering if creatures residing in guildhalls attack you when you unsuccessfully commit a crime? Well, it's impossible to commit any crime on Eyevea, but when I'm at my computer, I am goining to check if Grish and Grackle, who appear to be guarding crafting writs crates, attack when one fails to pickpocket Anaka the Ink-Blooded.  ~Shuryard (talk) 14:14, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

Those criteria would mean Byz is not a member of the Toothmaul tribe, since he is simply a resident of Toothmaul Gully and never fights. Grackle is logically just as much of a faction minion as an Iron Orc troll, even if he doesn't technically attack in-game. —Legoless (talk) 15:29, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

(←) I did not formulate it correctly. From my perspective, "activeness" does not exclusively mean an ability to attack. Those creatures or NPCs who can articulate their faction membership are active. Attacking on behalf of a faction is just another form of being an active member. What about pets, specifically? Since they cannot express themselves, we need to find a way to categorize them as faction members or not. Girsh and Grackle do not attack you, not matter what crime you commit. So, are they members of the Fighters Guild or not? Since I don't observe them performing any guild-related actions, I'd say not. Thoughts?  ~Shuryard (talk) 15:59, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

Why would they be at the guild hall, other than as hunting companions or mascots? There was a strong tradition of factions keeping pets in Oblivion (and to a lesser degree Skyrim), so I think it's only logical to list them as members in ESO unless stated otherwise. —Legoless (talk) 16:04, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

I was unclear too, friendly creatures can be part of factions, so its not just enemies as I said previously. Byz is more than just a resident, he came with the chief and was there when the tribe was formed, he learned to speak when with the chief ("for much time"), and can be used to parley with the chief (where he calls himself a pup in Koth's presence). Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 16:05, 9 May 2015 (GMT)

While the summary may permit creatures to be part of a faction, they are not added to the faction category. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 00:56, 12 May 2015 (GMT)

That's interesting... I'll take a look when I get home. It should put them in the category. Jeancey (talk) 01:42, 12 May 2015 (GMT)