Morrowind talk:Quest Items

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Charge for Surefeet[edit]

Does anyone know what the charge for Surefeet is? If u do, post it here, but also email me at joshthebrain@cox.net. Please hurry. Darth Cronus — Unsigned comment by Maximus Bane83 (talkcontribs) at 18:27 on 11 November 2007‎

Robe of St. Roris[edit]

Shouldn't it be mentioned that the enchantment on the "Robe of St. Roris" is Constant Effect in plain Morrowind - which makes it the most powerful/overpowered item of them all. The robe is only fixxed with the expansions/GOTY or patch (don't know which). -78.51.81.178 00:03, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

definition[edit]

Could we try to get another definition for these items, since for one most if not all of the artifacts or unique items are used in quests as well and the part "are not particularly useful for other purposes" is not really helpful or objective. For example, there are a few artifacts/unique items that are not that useful if compared to some other "normal" items (just imho, but that's my point). On the other hand, some collectors would keep many of the quest items, simply because they are named or "unique" enough to showcase in their stronghold. So maybe we could put up links like the one for the sanguine items and remove the "not particular useful" bit. -Meisterdieb 15:49, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Well, for example, while Lugrub's Axe may technically be usable as an axe after the quest, it's no better than any other Steel War Axe, and differs only in ID. Most of the items on this page are like this - they're just copies of other items with a different ID that's used for a single quest and nothing else. Maybe "notable" would be a better word. Other items are clearly useful - I like to wear the Redas Robe of Deeds, for example, and as long as you're not playing House Redoran, you don't need it for the quest - but if you are doing the quest, you'll have to give it up. (You might be able to kill the guy to get it back, but this would of course cause you problems when dealing with the faciton in the future.) Artifacts have clearly defined criteria they must have a unique appearance. The difference between "Unique" and "Quest" items is that Quest Items are required for quests, whereas Unique Items are not - though they are often given as rewards for quests, but that's not the same thing. --TheRealLurlock Talk 17:57, 22 January 2009 (EST)
I've gone ahead and rephrased the definition into what I think describes these items a little better (and clarifies the difference to artifacts et al.). -Meisterdieb 20:44, 22 January 2009 (EST)

Gambolpuddy[edit]

@Rpeh. I believe you are in error, sir, in arbitrarily declaring that "Gambolputty" and "Gambolpuddy" are unrelated and that the latter was not inspired by the former. In this instance, I would challenge YOU to demonstrate usage of either word outside the contexts of either Morrowind or Monty Python, to show that the inspiration for the naming of this item is clearly not from Monty Python. If this cannot be done, then I submit that the reference I added previously should be re-instated as accurate and relevant. Thank you. -Scott @IP#whatever (the guy who made the edit in the first place) — Unsigned comment by 208.110.58.117 (talk) on 28 March 2009

In this case it is not up to Rpeh to provide proof that the two words are unrelated, rather, it is up to you to provide proof that they are related. When making a contribution the wiki, then the reason for that contribution must either be blatently obvious, such as removing the comment "Cake is nice" from a quest page, or you must be able to provide a decent reason and, if necessary, proof for the contribution. - Game LordTalk|Contribs 10:06, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
I find your policy to be tragically draconian. Shall I compose an essay for you in order to make this contribution, highlighting the similarities between the words? Should I track down the Bethesda employee who named the Gambolpuddy, and interview them as to the origins of the name? How about you watch a video of the original Monty Python sketch, and tell me if you truly still think there is no relation to be had here. -Scott — Unsigned comment by 208.110.58.117 (talk) on 28 March 2009
Soley a similarity between the two words is not enough to conclude that this was a definite reference to Monty Python. Similarities between words in the game, and words in other contexts exist countless times in the Elder Scrolls universe.
And as for our policy, how could it be any different? Your idea seems to be that one can add anything to the wiki if it cannot be directly disproven. In that case, let's say that Mehrunes Dagon was intended to be called Big Bad Bongo, but the developers had a change of heart. As there is no way to actually disprove this (short of calling up the developers, an action which you have already declared as a bit ridiculous), then should that information be included in the article? No, it shouldn't, because there's no way to actually prove that this was the case. - Game LordTalk|Contribs 12:24, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
Now you are being absurd. Since nothing can ever be definitively proven nor dis-proven, what is the point of even having this website? The Gambolpuddy is named Gambolpuddy. I am not trying to infer that it was originally called something else, and putting a reference to that thing in to the article, as you have implied. It is no longer worth my time to discuss this any further. You may all continue on discouraging potential and attempted contributors with your inflexibility and elitism, I hope it makes you feel more important. -Scott — Unsigned comment by 208.110.58.117 (talk) on 28 March 2009
Gambolputty: one of a series of names in a one-joke Monty Python sketch.
Gambolpuddy: an extravagant right glove endowed with a powerful range of enchantments that must be offered to a God of Madness during one of the Pilgrimages of the Four Corners.
Apart from a similarity of name, please explain the connection between these two? Then reconsider who is being absurd. –RpehTCE 15:04, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

() You know this fellow may be right I mean why else would anyone chose the name gambolpuddy /utty seriously? There is no pervious mention in TES of such a thing even in sheogoraths realm... and whom is mad enough if not monty python to be connected with the mad god? The entire sketch is insane especially the ending I believe this to be an easter egg. The names are similar as with the easter egg banhammer whos owner is Arlowe named for R-Lo [gambolpuddy/gambolputty] saying the two are more than just similar is no more a leap of faith than this "A large proportion of names of Ashlanders, Egg Mines, and Daedric shrines are modeled on ancient Assyrian and Babylonian names from around the second millennium BCE. This is a very quiet joke on the resemblance between Ashlander and Ashur, the Akkadian name for ancient Assyria." which again can neither be proved or disproved. I'd honestly recommend a simple refernce on the easter eggs page. there is a clearr link in the humar and lunacy of the the TV sketch and the artifact of dubious use belonging to and orc who thinks he's a khajit both are clearly mad and similarly named. — Unsigned comment by 94.10.225.43 (talk) at 05:02 on 29 January 2010

This is quite clearly not an easter egg. By the standard definition from eeggs.com, this fails on at least two levels: it's not hidden and it's definitely not entertaining. The whole Arlowe/Banhammer thing is quite clearly an easter egg - the whole reason is explained on the eggs page. In this case, it's a similarity of word that doesn't relate in any way to the sketch beyond that one word. If, for instance, the Gambolpuddy was found next to a book on the German Peerage, it might be an easter egg (and definitely would break immersion). A similar name is not an easter egg. rpeh •TCE 10:02, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Its no just the similarity of the name though is it? its the fact python are quite mad and so is the orc/kajit tbh i really do think this an easter egg. otherwise you may as well say that the two named Je Tee and Kar Alber is not an easter egg for a start how is je tee related to gary noonan? even if it is is certainly NOT funny/amusing. nor is it hidden since it's there in plain sight. equally:
Fat Lute
A "Fat Lute" can be found in Hassour, a sixth house base south of Balmora. Another can be found carried by a bandit in Adanumuran. In Bloodmoon, another is carried by the Nord bard Bathmar Bold-Lute, who appears in Thirsk after a series of quests. It is usually regarded as a reference to "phat lewt" or "fat loot", a term used in MMORPGs to describe good loot/drops.
is not funny nor an easter egg since the only similarity is the name which according to YOU is not an easter egg by definition. again equally Steel claymore easter egg is NOT an easter egg because its not amusing or hidden. its simply based on the origional scottish claymore. Simply put gambolputty is CLEARLY an easter egg since it is amusing name, with a STRONG similarity to gambolpuddy which is HILARIUOS and most certainly made me imediately think of Monty Python when i saw the name it also also hidden... litteally under a pillow the fact it's used for a quest simply suggests the creator of this item felt it was so mad and funny [like sheogorth and monty python equally] that it HAD to be found. It is worth adding to the easter eggs section if for amusement of all if no other reason and YOU have not proben it to not be an easter egg and there is a clear case for it's being an easter egg... short of asking it's creator I doubt we'll ever know but you already have the information about it and a link provided by the other guy... I'd strongly reccomend it's inclusion in the easter eggs scetion or you'd have to remove much of the easters eggs section as is because they are not easter eggs by your own definition. — Unsigned comment by 94.10.225.43 (talk) at 19:38 on 29 January 2010
First, I didn't add those easter eggs. I have personally never heard "phat lewt" as a phrase but I trust the people who have and there's not much reason to have a "Fat Lute" given that there's also a normal "Lute" unless it's a reference to something. Second, you're right about the claymore one. I've deleted it. Third, that definition of an easter egg isn't mine, it's from the internet's foremost site for the identification and classification of easter eggs. Fourth, please can you take more time over your posts and spell them properly?
You can take almost any Monty Python sketch and find a reference in Morrowind if you try hard enough. Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk (Miss)? It starts thin at one end, much much thicker in the middle and then thin again at the far end. That describes the city of Vivec as seen from the air in a N/S direction. Cheeseshop? There is NO cheese ANYWHERE in Morrowind! Definitely a reference! You are taking ONE word from the name "Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern- schplenden- schlitter- crasscrenbon- fried- digger- dingle- dangle- dongle- dungle- burstein- von- knacker- thrasher- apple- banger- horowitz- ticolensic- grander- knotty- spelltinkle- grandlich- grumblemeyer- spelterwasser- kurstlich- himbleeisen- bahnwagen- gutenabend- bitte- ein- nürnburger- bratwustle- gerspurten- mitz- weimache- luber- hundsfut- gumberaber- shönedanker- kalbsfleisch- mittler- aucher von Hautkopft of Ulm". Why not claim that Oblivion including apples is a reference to the same name? This is not an easter egg. rpeh •TCE 07:36, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm with rpeh on this. Sure the similarity is bigger than some other claims I've seen on this wiki, but it's obvious that the similarity is not recognized by everyone. I'm well familiar with Monty Python, and like rpeh I find no other similarity than names that appear identical. If you look at most of the current Easter Eggs (I can't verify them all), you will see that they all have a bit more than a simple name similarity. Fat Lute is pronounced identically to Fat Loot, which is indeed a known expression in RPGs. This looks quite much like a play on a word and pronouncation, something Gambolpuddy is not. --Timenn-<talk> 10:23, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
What about the enchantment name, "wildjack"? Could that provide more insight? Unfortunately, unlike gambolpuddy/putty, its a very generic term. 74.128.56.194 23:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Oh, and "Phat Loot" is one of many phrases spoken around 2003, the modern Dawn Era of MMOs. Its rather archaic, and was never much in use even when it was in use. Now its only used sarcastically, like "LOL." 74.128.56.194 23:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

() The fact that the developers chose Gambolpuddy as the name of this glove is suspicious, as it is spelled nearly the same and pronounced identically as Gambolputty, but rpeh is correct about there not being any correlation between the unique extravagant glove Gambolpuddy and the name Johann Gambolputty de von Ausfern- schplenden- schlitter- crasscrenbon- fried- digger- dingle- dangle- dongle- dungle- burstein- von- knacker- thrasher- apple- banger- horowitz- ticolensic- grander- knotty- spelltinkle- grandlich- grumblemeyer- spelterwasser- kurstlich- himbleeisen- bahnwagen- gutenabend- bitte- ein- nürnburger- bratwustle- gerspurten- mitz- weimache- luber- hundsfut- gumberaber- shönedanker- kalbsfleisch- mittler- aucher von Hautkopft of Ulm. However, if we look at their creators, we are more likely to see evidence that this is an easter egg. Both Sheogorath and The Pythons are known to have a kind of twisted sense of humor, often utilizing insanity and spontaneity as a means for amusement. It is a bit of a stretch, I know. And yes, it would be silly to say anything matching a real-world word is an easter egg, such as an apple. But an apple can easily be an easter egg. For example, if you were playing a game that took place on a foreign planet or in a foreign galaxy/universe that did not have apples, and in an obscure container you find a red, spherical food called a "Lepap", you can be sure that it was placed there as an easter egg. Fat Lute is actually in much the same situation is Gambolpuddy; both are spelled differently from what they are referencing (phat loot, Gambolputty), neither bear any resemblance to what they are referencing (Fat Loot is neither valuable nor particularly useful, Gambolpuddy is a glove), and both references would be considered inside-jokes (Fat Lute to online gamers, Gambolpuddy to Python enthusiasts). Actually, Fat Lute is kind of the opposite of what is considered phat loot, but I digress...

To me, this is most definitely a Monty Python reference, but I do not think it is an easter egg. If anything, it is more of a "nod-nod, wink-wink" to any players who were familiar with their sketches. The primary reason I don't think it is an easter egg is just because it is a quest item, and a fairly major one at that. To me, an easter egg has to be a bit more hidden than that. The BanHammer and the Fat Lute, for example, are not spoken about but are clearly references made by the developers. The talking mudcrab merchant I would still consider an easter egg despite being mentioned in-game, mostly because it is mentioned by someone called M'Aiq the Liar who insists on the existence of naked liches and weresharks as well. If it had been a random NPC named "Gambolpuddy" playing the role as an unknown Bard, then an easter egg status would be undeniable. But as it stands...

And rpeh, out of curiosity, did you choose "apple" because of Johann etc.'s name? Peterpeterohsofeeter 11:43, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes. He picked "Gambolpuddy" and claimed it was a reference, and I suggested "apple" could just as easily be a reference. Once you start seeing patterns, you can find them anywhere. rpeh •TCE 08:38, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I see how you could think that. It makes sense. But heres the trouble: an apple is an apple. You can connect apple to anything you want. But what the heck is a "Gambolpuddy"? Thats not anything. There is no substance known as "gambolpuddy." However, this also lends itself to confusion, as there IS a word called "Gambol". You can see it in an early satiirical cartoon, "Lambs will Gambol" about the depression. There are more too, a british comedy cartoon called "The Gambols."
In the end, I see only one possible solution, and everyones gonna hate it. Sheogorath Likes Red Herring. 74.132.249.206 12:02, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Redoran shields[edit]

Well I've not patched my morrowind, so the Redoran sheilds look like normal bonemold when worn, but it looks just like the icon when I drop it, I added that note, not sure if it applies to the newer versions, or if it was fixed by the patch project and whatnot. On a totally unrelated note, Orcish cuirass & greaves, bonemold boots and hlallu pauldrons, daedric gaunts/wraithguard, and a telvani mole crab helm make an intimidating looking armour combo, especially if you're a stocky race like Nord or Orc. ~G.S. Coletrane — Unsigned comment by 107.2.206.93 (talk) at 17:42 on September 2, 2011

I cleaned it up a little, but i added a verification tag, as it needs to be determined what versions this applies. --DKong27 Tk Ctr Em 04:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
It seems to do it in all versions. I've tweaked the note and removed the tag. rpeh •TCE 11:05, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Redas War Axe[edit]

This axe looks to me like it is based on the Dwarven War Axe by it stats. The picture is a steel battle axe.67.134.20.100 20:58, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Robe of St. Roris[edit]

As per (what I think is) wiki standards, shouldn't it say that it's a constant effect enchantment and then acknowledge it as a bug that is fixed by one or more mods/patches, rather than say "this item has a constant effect enchantment in vanilla morrowind" almost as an afterthought? Xolroc (talk) 02:10, 14 September 2013 (GMT)

Agustas vs Augustus[edit]

The entry here for Augustus' Amulet currently states "Found on the corpse of Agustas (yes the spelling doesn't match) in Arenim Ancestral Tomb.".

Meanwhile the entry for Sword of Agustas on Unique Weapons currently states "This item was meant to be spelled "Augustus", to match that of the corpse and amulet associated with it; this typo is fixed by some of the code patching projects.".

So which is it? Is the corpse named "Augustus" or "Agustas"? Which item's description is correct, and which is incorrect?

Pharap (talk) 07:40, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Both are correct. We have the Corpse of Agustas, and the Sword of Agustas (with matching id). We have Satyana's dialogue naming her father as Augustus, and Augustus' Amulet with differing editor id but matching enchantment name. Just for fun we also have the quest log naming him as Agustus. The wording on the unique weapons is the stance of the MPP and clearly incorrect in claiming the corpse's name is Augustus. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 20:11, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
That's incredibly unfortunate. I don't know what the MPP is, but if the claim that the corpse's name is Augustus is incorrect then I take it the Sword of Agustas page needs correcting? (On a non-serious note: whoever was responsible for this quest's naming fiasco was either sadistic, a filthy s'wit, or both.) Pharap (talk) 10:43, 17 August 2019 (UTC)