Lore talk:Order of the Hour (book)

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Date inconsistency[edit]

Just making a not here. No idea how Zenimax screwed this up, but the line:

The most recent incarnation of the Order of the Hour was established in 2E 432 by the warrior-priest of Akatosh, Cavor Merula, in response to the collapse of the Second Empire and the coming of the Longhouse Emperors.

The bolded parts conflict and I don't believe this statement can be used, as the Longhouse Emperors happened about 100 years later. Circa 2E 541 Durcorach the Black Drake invades the land of the Bretons. He was the first Longhouse Emperor - the dynasty only lasted 3 generations.

I don't think they are implying that Durcorach took power right after Savirien-Chorak died and then lived for another 110 years before Emeric killed him. That's not consistent with the other lore in the timeline.

I originally was about to [sic] the 2E 432 date to read "2E 532" as that would actually make sense, but the rest of this book mentions other dates from 2E 432 onwards to present day. Adding a [sic] to all the Fifth Century dates completely messes up the order of events and would be a bad idea. For this reason, I suggest we assume the date 2E 432 is correct and completely omit the reason that the Order of the Hour was created was as a response to the coming of the Longhouse Emperors'. Details can be mentioned in an [nb] on the lore page of course.--Jimeee (talk) 10:20, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, that sounds good to me. Let's just put down Exordor Vasidius as an unreliable narrator. --Enodoc (talk) 12:12, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, but its not just him. A freaking statue plaque has the same thing carved in stone! --Jimeee (talk) 12:42, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
I disagree... There is nothing wrong with reestablishing an order as a response to something that you perceive as an instable situation. The 2nd Empire HAD collapsed. The Emperors will come, eventually :P Even if it can be perceived as too long term for us as humans, it doesn't make it false. 2E 541 is irrelevant, the death of Durcorach is not interesting here. Tib (talk) 18:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
That line about the Longhouse Emperors does not really make sense, although it could be seen as a kind of an imprecise extrapolation from the point of view of a person from the late sixth century. Like Tib said, it probably just means that the order was created in response for the general unrest after the Empire's collapse. --Vordur Steel-Hammer (TINV1K) 22:09, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
The line about the Longhouse Emperors is exactly what i'm talking about. Sure, it makes sense that people would be generally cautious after the collapse of their empire - but they wouldn't be fearful of a very specific family of Reachmen who didn't exist until 110 years later. Like I said, I have noted the contradiction in an [nb] on his page: Lore:Cavor Merula--Jimeee (talk) 09:18, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
I maybe mostly reacted as I thought you would write somewhere that this writer is unreliable :( I'd say maybe clumsy with his writing.. The plaque inside Knightsgrave also says "established bla bla for the coming of Emperors", so this is why I wouldn't place any responsibility upon that author alone, as he didn't make it up himself. Tib (talk) 13:26, 21 December 2016 (UTC)