General talk:More on the Psijic Endeavor

cant find post

hello i cant find a post in the cited forum thread that contains all this text. there are several posts that together have some of the text, but info about what chim is (the supposed state of being, not the word or sigil) is missing. page 3 is gone from the archive so maybe its there? also how do we know vehk is kirkbride? Gazorpo (talk) 08:26, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

You would be better off asking the folks over at The Imperial Library, where this was originally archived. UESP has been graciously allowed to take copies of these archives to ensure that these texts are not lost. It does appear that page 3 of that forum thread was not archived by the Wayback Machine, which is a good illustration of why the details on this page should be preserved. Personally I'm not sure how we know the poster "Vehk" is Michael Kirkbride, but when it comes to archives of developer forum posts from 20 years ago we have to assume good faith.

This may not be a satisfactory answer, but I have removed the {{fact}} tags you placed on this page. In my mind, it would be incredibly bad archival policy to start removing data over concerns around verifiability. We are missing much of the context here, and it's a miracle these postings from 2003 survive online at all. —⁠Legoless (talk) 15:16, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

thanks for trying to help, but just to reiterate what i said on the chim talk page, assuming good faith is for users not sources. i wasnt trying to remove that page, i just tagged info that failed verification in case someone can find a real source or someone else comes looking for the info Gazorpo (talk) 16:28, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

oh and its "Vehk's Teaching" on imperial library not "Vehk's Teachings" but again i'll leave it Gazorpo (talk) 16:32, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

That is because it was a typo in the archive name that the Imperial Library invented for this text. There was no inherent value in copying the typo as their name for it did not originate from the actual archived text, so I didn't. I corrected numerous similar errors when duplicating their archives for non-original titles and similar information. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 16:52, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

wait but why do you think its a typo if its the original title? whats wrong with "teaching" without an s? Gazorpo (talk) 17:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

(←) in case someones interested, heres a link someone from the imperial library discord gave me that looks like an archive of the original forum post (with different italics and quotes tho): https://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/forum_archives/The_Thief_goes_to_Cyrodiil.htm

on kirkbride being the author someone mentioned a "trial" which might mean this thing on imperial library that has more apparent forum archives that show a user named "MK" thanking people after a bunch of post from vehk and people treating him like an old bethesda dev named michael without mk objecting: https://www.imperial-library.info/content/trial-vivec

no word on whether "Vehk's Teaching" is a typo tho Gazorpo (talk) 06:17, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Let me restate what I said before. "Vehk's Teaching" is NOT an original title. The Imperial Library created it themselves when they archived it. If it had come from the original source, a typo would have been preserved, but since it did not, it was not preserved. "Teaching" is the wrong word to describe this content. "Teachings" is the right word. If for some reason that link does not work, teaching is the work that a teacher does in helping students to learn. The teachings of a particular person, school of thought, or religion are all the ideas and principles that they teach. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 07:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

i meant its the first version of the title. anyway teachings are an example of teaching so probably not a typo (even your link says teaching is "something taught; precept, doctrine, or instruction usually used in pl", note it says usually not always). but ive found senior editors whims win over verifiability on this site so i'll just drop it Gazorpo (talk) 08:06, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Gazorpo, it's hard to take you in good faith on this when you seemingly aren't listening to what has been explained. AKB has shown you why this is a typo in English. Continuing to argue the contrary is not a productive use of anyone's time. Are you seriously proposing to move this page? If not, then do not disrupt the wiki to illustrate a point. —⁠Legoless (talk) 08:14, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

but i used his own link to prove that wrong so i must have been listening. maybe youd see that if you were listening? but dont worry, youve successfully dissuaded this newcomer from editing the wiki. interesting to see you find ensuring verifiability disruptive tho. anyway if you dont want to argue then dont argue Gazorpo (talk) 08:36, 31 May 2022 (UTC)