User talk:Nephele/Archive-2008-04

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a question[edit]

how do you get a cookie jar in your discussion page. i have noticed all of you have one, so i thought i could have one. any advice is much appreciated.  :) HMS WARSPITE 04:32, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

it is ok now LOL. i have done it. :) HMS WARSPITE 04:35, 1 April 2008 (EDT)

Sandbox addition[edit]

What do I do to add my sandbox to my page? thanks. :) — Unsigned comment by Puddle (talkcontribs)

Just create a subpage of your userpage, like User:Puddle/Sandbox ;). –Eshetalk 00:36, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

E-mail[edit]

Nephele, I hope you have read my E-mail to you, as you have not replied yet. --HMSVictory 13:16, 6 April 2008 (EDT)

Alphabetical quest list[edit]

I have found that there is a problem in the alphabetical quest list pages. The first page comes up just fine, but when you click on the (next 200) link it just re-displays the first page.

Looking forward to seeing hte whole list so that can see what ones I have yet to complete. Thanks for contributing to such a GREAT site!

I assume you mean this list? If so, it's a known problem as discussed here and here. You might try creating an account to see if that helps. –RpehTCE 12:41, 7 April 2008 (EDT)

Leave of Absence[edit]

Nephele, I am sorry that the recent on-going spat with Nocturnal has gotten to you. I understand your desire to step away, to let go of it.

Sometimes you can't change someone's opinion, you do however have the option to change your own perspective. Would you value one vocal critic more then the thousands that use this site every day to great satisfaction? You know that the wiki has gained tremendous trust and respect in the community and is a valuable resource. That respect was earned, not given, largely through the work of dedicated people. Is everything perfect? No. Is the wiki still dynamic and open to new inputs? As an editor of barely a month here, I've seen support and resistance to change, which means it is alive.

Having fun in whatever one is doing is something very important. I hope you regain it, here at the wiki, or elsewhere. If there is anything I can do to help, let me know.

I, for one, am grateful for the wiki. -- Cheers, BenouldTC 14:17, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Hear, hear! I've seen demonstrated time and again that you are part of the backbone of this community, and have helped to make it into the tremendous resource it is today. And, as with most communities, online or otherwise, there will always be those who serve to antagonize others, whether ill-intentioned or simply in the pursuit of their own stubborn beliefs. An extended break from a community can serve to grant a fresh perspective on situations and allow you to "slow down" and examine thing more carefully. And, to second Benould, I, and many others, appreciate the wiki. See ya around, and thanks for your help and guidance (especially in my early days).Giamgiam 22:52, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Good to have you back :)[edit]

Missed your sanity around here, I hope you are refreshed? Thanks for the new reminders to Preview and Sign your comments! as well, it is helping already. XD --BenouldTC 13:17, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

Redirect Template[edit]

I'm trying to make a redirect template to help make Redirect pages faster. I was wondering if anyone knows a way to get the redirect to actually create a redirect page when it transcludes the template. Thanks! -- OranL 14:35, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

Already answered at Template talk:Redirect. --NepheleTalk 14:43, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

Okay, here's the answer: if you create a template with the exact text that was in Template:Redirect, and use {{subst:Redirect}} instead, it will create a proper redirect page as long as you have the proper parameters with it.

#REDIRECT [[{{{1}}}]]
This page redirects to [[{{{1}}}]]. {{{2}}}

The comment doesn't show up though, so it is mostly useless for using with Redirect, but perhaps it will be helpful to know that for something else in the future! Sorry for not trying that on a sandbox first...I didn't know that there were template sandboxes on Wikipedia. -- OranL 17:25, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

Propose For Deletion[edit]

Two questions

A, How do you propose a page for deletion? I've found a poor pathetic page that should be put out of its misery.
B, Do I need sysop rights to propose a page, I know I need those rights to delete them, but I just want to propse it for deletion.

I hope I wasn't to vague. Puddle 8:42 April 19, 2008 (EDT)

First, using biased descriptions such as "pathetic" really isn't helpful. If you think that an article is not up to the site's standards, find a non-prejudicial way to describe the article's problems. The only way someone else can possibly try to respond is if you provide constructive criticism. Using unnecessary negative language is likely to anger the original editor and just distracts from the actual message.
If you believe that an article cannot be improved and qualifies for deletion, there are several tags that can be placed on an article, depending upon the nature of the article. The entire process is described at UESPWiki:Deletion Policy. Basically, if you think it is an uncontroversial deletion, put {{proposeddeletion|Reason for deletion}} at the top of the article. And, again, provide a non-prejudicial, objective reason for the deletion. --NepheleTalk 14:52, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
One other thing: If you can't be bothered to type out proposeddeletion, like most people, simply type "prod", it does the same thing. - Game LordTalk|Contribs 14:56, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
Thank you, and sorry for using pathetic i really couldn't find a name for a roleplaying page that was poorly (I hope this is better) formatted & only had two sentences, it sounded more like a description of the users own character (I'll use these words). I meant pathetic to describe the length of the page, again, I hope I didn't anger anyone. Puddle 09:02 April 19, 2008.

No[edit]

No I didn't threatened as you think but I tried to make the words more easier to realise. And do not block me. I have not yet done any sins. Lord Geogorath 16:15, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

Whatever you want to call it, I'm saying that posts about wars that promise "this doesn't mean that everything will be peaceful'", especially following edits about "the beginning of an internal war in UESPwiki" are not acceptable. These posts have all been randomly placed on the talk pages of users who have absolutely no idea who you are, have confused people, and have left a very negative impression. Harrassing other editors with pointless threats is a "sin" and if you continue to make posts about wars, you will be blocked. --NepheleTalk 16:24, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

Morrowind:Level[edit]

Nephele, do you want to incorporate the findings form the Morrowind_talk:Level page, since you're there? The bug at least seems worth mentioning. --BenouldTC 20:17, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

Oops, I'm not really "there" any more ;) I'm just going through a ton of unpatrolled edits, so I'm jumping around all over the place. Feel free to take care of it if you'd like! --NepheleTalk 20:29, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
Ok, I get to it eventually then, I'm engulfed in the Bloodmoon universe. ;) --BenouldTC 20:50, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

Tamriel:Fjell[edit]

Nephele, while editing Fjell, I noticed that the whole article is a link from Tamriel [[:Tamriel:Fjell|Fjell]]. Why is Fjell important in Tamriel? Can this be moved to Bloodmoon and then deleted from Tamriel? If so, I don't know how to move it to a page that already exists... Help! XD --BenouldTC 14:23, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

Good point. And it looks like Rpeh also believed that the information should be moved out of Tamriel. Based on the fact that the history of writing the actual page contents was all on the Tamriel article, I deleted the Bloodmoon version and moved the Tamriel version into its place. While I was at it, I also messed with Bloodmoon:Brodir Grove, although there it wasn't necessary to delete the Bloodmoon version to reorganize the information. Hopefully now they're both ready for you to work your magic expanding the articles with place summaries :) --NepheleTalk 15:55, 20 April 2008 (EDT)
Yep, perfect solution, thanks for all your magic moves there. Summaries are done for them. --BenouldTC 16:19, 20 April 2008 (EDT)
Found one more, Bloodmoon:Lake_Fjalding. I'll do a scan for more Tamriel articles in Bloodmoon tomorrow, g'nite. --BenouldTC 01:26, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Footers[edit]

Sorry about not noticing the comments on the footers, I was following the footers and didn't see your comments, also, are obscenities allowed on user pages, I found one, but I'm not supposed to edit user pages. Puddle 19:18 April 20, 2008. (EST)

It's OK. It was just a bit puzzling to have someone who had just requested that the article be deleted, then start adding links to the article -- links that if left in place are just going to increase the work required by the admin who tries to fulfill your original request by deleting the article. Normally editors try to help by getting rid of any links to prod'd articles.
As for obscenities, no, they are not allowed anywhere on UESP, even on user pages. However, it's generally best to leave difficult edits, such as modifying a user's page against the user's wishes, to admins. If the user is likely to complain about the edit, then it's best to handle it carefully; if you're not sure how to handle an edit, then it can wait until someone more familiar with the site is able to take care of it. --NepheleTalk 21:27, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

Thank you, it deals with a userbox, I think i'll just ask nicely, If that dosen't work i'll contact an admin.-- Puddle 8:39 April 22, 2008. (EST)

Problem With Me?[edit]

It seems you have assumed the worst with my question on Oblivion talk:Books. So I will clarify for you: I didn't mean anything negative with my use of "forgotten." All but two of the definitions carry any hint of malady. I am again disturbed by the distrust and cynicism newcomers to the Oblivion community are met with. (This seems to be a common theme with the Oblivion community, I had a similar thing happen to me on the official forums.) What must I do to convince everyone that I am not here to destroy everything? (That question is open to everyone, not just Nephele.) --Enterprise2001 22:49, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

I think you are overreacting a little. Yes, Nephele took your comment in the wrong way, but that is no reason to accuse her, or indeed anyone, of being distrustful or cynical. --Twentyfists 21:08, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

SORRY!!![edit]

I am most sorry about that! I know that even though I am still new here, I still need to follow guidelines.... and I will get into the habit of doing so! Thanks for being patient with me, even though I never asked for it..... I'm still learning the ropes of editing, and doing well... but please tell me whenever I do something silly, so that way I can change it! Thank you!!!--Ahnaz31 12:37, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Don't worry, you're not the only one to be doing this kind of thing.--Darth NANAME 09:14, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

Lemerde[edit]

Hmm, is this username meant to say what i think it says? i don't know if this is unnecceptable or not, what do you think? --Volanaro 13:18, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

The only thing I can think of is that you're worried about the similarity to the French "merde"?? In which case, I really don't think we need to be quite that paranoid. To say that a name that bears a slight resemblance to a minor curse word in a foreign language is forbidden seems a bit overboard to me. --NepheleTalk 13:35, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
He probably doesn't even realise it. The only occasions of "Lemerde" I can find outside this site either invlove some minority cartoon series or a fictional character's surname. --HMSVictoryTalk 13:41, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
Oh by the way, i notice you undid several changes i made to new user talk pages, which had a welcome message on there made by michaeldsuarez, Just so you know why i did this, Rpeh and several other users has been trying to phase out out most theses messsages and replace hem with the standard welcome, last i knew this hadn't stopped so i continued doing it. --Volanaro 09:01, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
When rpeh changed Michaeldsuarez' welcome messages the situation was completely different. First, this was the appearance of the welcome message. As discussed at length here there were specific issues with the early versions of the welcome message. However, Michaeldsuarez subsequently changed his welcome message to one that was acceptable.
Second, and to me even more importantly, on the pages that Rpeh modified, the welcome message was being added as a template (i.e., the only code to appear on the page was {{User:Michaeldsuarez/Welcome}}). Using a template for a welcome message is very problematic in many ways, for example, it means that the contents of a talk page can be completely revamped without there being any indication of why the page dramatically changed. It had already led to confusion among the users with that welcome message, and the only way to fix the confusion was to replace the welcome message with a static message.
I personally don't think that altering user welcome messages in one situation (where there were clearly expressed problems being caused by the welcome messages) sets up a general precedent that all user welcome messages must be replaced in all other situations. Without any specific problems being caused by the current messages, I'd say that standard site policy applies, which clearly states that "In general, editors should not modify or delete talk page contributions made by other editors". In order to create a general exception to that rule, there would need to be a community-wide discussion and consensus that all welcome messages other than the one standard message are unacceptable. There has been no such discussion and if there were such a discussion it's very unlikely that there would be a consensus (or at least I'd be arguing against such a guideline).
In all honesty, to me your edits come across as a personal crusade against Michaeldsuarez. That it's not good enough that you've already driven a good editor away from the site, but that now you also want to erase all traces of his contribution. That may not be the intent behind your edits, but it does seem clear that it's been the result, because I sure haven't seen anything of Michaeldsuarez since you and HMSVictory teamed up against him. --NepheleTalk 13:25, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
We did not "team up against him." We simply happened to share a common view about his Welcome message. What drove him away was the edit war between him and myself, and the fact that we were both blocked after you and Rpeh managed to sort it out. --HMSVictoryTalk 13:33, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
However you want to characterize it, the second half of this whole exchange (the part between HMSVictory and Volanaro) was petty and negative. It may not be the entire reason for Michaeldsuarez' departure, but I know that it made me consider leaving the site permanently, and I wasn't even the person towards whom it was all directed. --NepheleTalk 13:42, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
I have apologised to Micaeldsuarez, and now I'm apologising to you. I never intended to put either of you off using the site and from where i was sitting i though i was following rpeh's instructions on what to do with Michaeldsuarez's welcome messages, as i have said on his talk page, I now know that I misenterpreted this and hope that I have not impacted anyones opinions on the site or its community. --Volanaro 11:02, 26 April 2008 (EDT)
Thanks, Volanaro, especially for your post on Michaeldsuarez' talk page :) --NepheleTalk 12:35, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

(Outdent) I doubt he'll come back, though. A pity, since he was a valuable user despite these incidents. Personally, I feel that trying to improve your face on the site after an huge embarassment is far better than leaving it, but everyone's different. If Michaeldsuarez returns, I'll make sure to apologise too, but until then, I see little point. Thanks for the help with the Tamriel Library articles guys. --HMSVictoryTalk 13:07, 26 April 2008 (EDT)

People in BM[edit]

That was funny ;) Go ahead and do the Thirsk table, if you are still up for more, I'll do something else then. Also, the towns still reside in no-mans-land, i.e. Morrowind. The regions, Tirsk, and Skaal reside in Tamriel, do we want to keep them there? --Cheers, BenouldTC 00:55, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

I was working on them mainly because I wanted something mindless to do while watching the hockey game ;) Now the game's over, and I'm going to be heading to sleep pretty soon, so I won't be tackling any more right now.
With the regions, there are Bloodmoon-specific versions of the pages, so I don't think there should be any problems adding the people tables to the Bloodmoon region pages. And we probably will stick with having Tamriel pages as well for the regions. Regions generally seem large enough that it's worth covering them in Tamriel; it's also what's been done for the other games (e.g., Tamriel:Azura's Coast plus Morrowind:Azura's Coast; Tamriel:West Weald plus Oblivion:West Weald).
As for the towns, I'm afraid I'm not quite getting the problem there? I can be a dense sometimes, probably because I haven't played Bloodmoon yet ;) --NepheleTalk 02:08, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Maybe there is no problem at all, it's just that the category for i.e. Bloodmoon:Fort_Frostmoth is Morrowind:Cities & Towns, yet it isn't listed on that page. I am not sure that that matters... and there are only a few instances, so a Bloodmoon:Cities & Towns page might not be needed. I was just worried this would mess up searches and such. And yes, editing and sports go great together, I'm watching the NBA playoffs... --BenouldTC 02:21, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Aha, the categories! :) I was focussing on the page name and thinking that the articles needed to be moved somehow. Yes, the categories for the cities (and the breadcrumb trail on the top of the page) should all be Bloodmoon rather than Morrowind. As with the caves and barrows, the source of the problem was buried in some of the templates, so I've gone ahead and updated the templates. And again created more Bloodmoon (and maybe even Tribunal) red links ;). Whether we really need a Bloodmoon:Cities & Towns page is questionable; arguably that link could be removed but for now I just continued to exactly mirror what's been done for Morrowind. But the other links definitely needed to be updated, so that you get taken to Bloodmoon:Places instead of Morrowind:Places, for example. --NepheleTalk 16:34, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Thanks for that! I am still confused about these auto-pages... what I was expecting was this: Morrowind:Ships, where all descriptions from the individual pages gets listed automatically. Not sure why that is not happening, although it is probably me not understanding the Byzantine-Maze-o'-Code hidden underneath the pretty pages XDD --BenouldTC 16:46, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Only the category pages are automatic lists. In other words, only pages such as Category:Morrowind-Places-Ships, where the name starts with "Category". If you edit a category page, you don't see any of the articles listed there or in any way mentioned, because the list of articles is created completely automatically. Specifically, it's a list of all the articles that state (on the article page) that they belong to the category. Somewhere on those pages (frequently hidden in templates such as the Morrowind Places Summary) there is the text [[Category:Morrowind-Places-Ships]]. That code says "add this page to the Morrowind-Places-Ships category".
Pages such as Morrowind:Ships (no "category" at the start of the name) are manually created. If you edit the page, you see that the page contents contain a list of all the ships. The list uses the "Place Link" shortcut to "fancify" the list, but somebody still had to go in and add the name of each ship to the page before the ship appeared. Similarly, if you want to create pages like that for various Bloodmoon places, you will need to type in a list of the places in one way or another.
The reason we tend to have both manual lists (Morrowind:Ships) and automatic lists (Category:Morrowind-Places-Ships) is that they each have advantages and disadvantages. We have no ability to change the appearance of links on the category pages: there's no way to add a few extra details to the list of articles, it's just a list of articles. However, the list is automatic and the category system overall is a standard navigational system on wikis, that some users will naturally prefer to use. On pages such as Morrowind:Ships we can ultimately customize the list to provide any information that we think is relevant; we can format the information and sort it. But it's not automatic, which means editors need to remember to manually update the page whenever necessary.
Hopefully that helps to make a bit more sense of things :) --NepheleTalk 17:30, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Undead Armies article[edit]

I'm not sure where to go with this article. the writer came to me asking for advice but it seems to contain too much redundant information, what do you think? --Volanaro 12:29, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Ummm.... I do tend to notice what's been happening on recent changes. Sometimes just giving me a few minutes to catch up with everything is all that's needed. For example, I was already posting a proposed deletion tag on the article in question when you posted this question. --NepheleTalk 12:33, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Sorry, I do get a bit jumpy sometimes. --Volanaro 12:38, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

(Followup moved to User talk:Lordvader178#New article to prevent discussion from being fragmented across too many different places)

Items in BM[edit]

Nephele, when you get a chance could you generate a detailed dump of magical items in BM? I started Bloodmoon:Generic Magic Items so we can link from Caves, etc., and get rid of red links that are already in place. On Bloodmoon:Item_List, I can only see weight and value.

PS: I am using Linkable Entry Staff of Carnal Channeling in the list, yet Bloodmoon:Skygge does not link. Do I have to make a redirect for each item? Enlighten me, please ;) --BenouldTC 17:54, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

If nobody else gets to it first, I'll see what I can do. But it's going to require adding a few chunks of code to my MW tools, so I can't do it right away.
Creating links is basically a two step process. The Linkable Entry creates a point that you can link to. Once it's there, you can immediately start creating "long-format" links. In other words, Bloodmoon:Generic Magic Items#Staff of Carnal Channeling will now take you straight to that entry on the page. But for "short-format" links to work, a redirect needs to be added that says that a link like [[Bloodmoon:Staff of Carnal Channeling]] should be redirected to the long-format link. If you're in a rush to fix the red-link you can create the redirect yourself. Or else you can leave it to be created by a bot... I'll probably sic my bot on a few sets of Bloodmoon redirects here pretty soon. --NepheleTalk 23:44, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Thanks for that great explanation, I'll use the long link and let the bot deal with the rest. No rush, not like Bloodmoon is a new game ;) --BenouldTC 23:52, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Oops, I meant to also say: it's better to leave it as a red link than to change the links to the longer format, at least in cases when it's pretty certain that a redirect is going to be created. That saves the effort of later changing the link back. And it also means that if we decide to reorganize, then the redirect is the only thing that needs to be changed; all the other pages will automatically point to whatever place the redirect identifies as the best place to find information about the Staff of Carnal Channeling. --NepheleTalk 23:56, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Ok, that's even better. Might just have to communicate that to Gaebrial as he was taking out red links he couldn't resolve, while patrolling. Hence my my flurry to get the reference pages up. I'll keep an eye on it. --BenouldTC 00:05, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Hitting an NPC and Speechcraft[edit]

Regarding this revision: While it's probably easier just to play the Speechcraft mini-game "negatively", hitting an NPC who doesn't care is certainly a reasonable method of lowering the disposition...especially if you accidentally raised him beyond your ability to play the game with him any more. Just my thoughts...I didn't submit it, so it makes no difference to me either way. :) --Robin Hood (TalkE-mailContribs) 01:11, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I suppose. Although that still doesn't explain to me why you'd want to go to an out-of-the-way hamlet just to train Speechcraft on an NPC who'll let you hit him. --NepheleTalk 01:27, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
True enough. --Robin Hood (TalkE-mailContribs) 01:46, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Question about CS Wiki Vandal and how to deal with 'em[edit]

Hi Nephele

You seem to be the "techy" person around here, so I thought it'd be best to ask you - we're having a problem with a vandal at the moment. 'e keeps moving pages around, to the point that they can't be moved back. While the damage isn't too bad and we have it under control (except for one page) I'd like to be able to prevent this in the future. I thought I'd seen a rule/limit mentioned here about the number of times a page can be moved within a day, but I don't see it on the Editing Guidelines, Blocking, or Vandalism pages. Does that sound familiar, or does UESP have any rule like that in place?

As I've mentioned before, we have to get all of our upgrades by begging Bethesda, so I need to make sure I'm asking for something that can be done. Many thanks--Haama 01:39, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Oh no :| It looks like you've inherited one of our recent vandals. Unfortunately, our attempts to control him on UESP just seem to give him a reason to reach out and find other ES wikis to target. FYI, he's been blocked temporarily here three times now and he's been permanently blocked on at least two other sites.
We don't have any limits on moves in place on UESP. However, scanning through the mediawiki configuration file it does seem to be an available option. There's a $wgRateLimits array that can be used to place limits the number of actions that an account can do in a certain amount of time. So it looks like you could impose a limit that regular users can only move pages x number of times in 86400 seconds (one day). It's not per page, but per account. One caveat is that the feature requires memcached to be enabled, which might not be true on CS Wiki (we only started using memcached here a few months ago).
At first look, that's all that I can see. Good luck :) --NepheleTalk 02:06, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Edit Count[edit]

Hi Nephele! I suspect this is more of a daveh question, but since you're about the next best thing and I wasn't 100% sure if it would be only him that could answer, I thought I'd bug you before going to him. Is there any chance of us getting an Edit Count php script in our special pages here? See Game Lord's User Page on wikia.com for an example of what I'm talking about. Thanks for reading. :) --Robin Hood (TalkE-mailContribs) 10:56, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Hmm, the thing is here that the editcount template on Elderscrolls Wikia bascially takes the information from the page [[Special:EditCount/Username]]. On UESP we don't actually have that special page; instead we have the Active Users page. I'm sure that a EditCount page could be built, and would support the idea of having it, as it helps in other ways. All UsersEditCount does is record the number of edits made. EditCount actually says how many in each Namespace, which is helpful when checking a user's contributions outside of talk pages. - Game LordTalk|Contribs 12:24, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, that's basically what I'm asking for. The Special page is the end effect, but if I understand correctly, it's a PHP script that drives it. After a fashion, we already have it, since, as you point out, the count is given on the Active Users page, but it would still be nice to be able to include it in a Userbox on one's profile as you have on wikia. --Robin Hood (TalkE-mailContribs) 13:14, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
The feature on wikia comes from an EditCount extension. There are a few different verions of the extension floating around. There's one available at mediawiki, that adds both the special page and the ability to display a number on any other page you want. There's a disclaimer at the top of the page, though, stating that it's not the extension used on wikia; I think the wikia version is the one listed here -- at least the author name is the same. In either case, Daveh is the one who needs to add the extension. It's typically a pretty straightforward task (although there's always a chance of complications with an extension that accesses namespaces, given our unusual setup). Adding the extension is likely to be easier than trying to set up some code to mimic it (and creating our own code would still require Daveh to get installed, just with a greater chance of complications!) --NepheleTalk 13:35, 28 April 2008 (EDT)
Okay, I'll bump this over to him, then. Thanks Nephele! --Robin Hood (TalkE-mailContribs) 13:39, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

Apology[edit]

Sorry. I'll assume you know what I mean. --HMSVictoryTalk 11:59, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm just glad to see that things are going better for you :) --NepheleTalk 13:46, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Alchemy Calculator: SI Ingredient?[edit]

I was reading the appropriate page, and it's been 346 days since you said you'd update the Alchemy Calculator with SI plants. Is there any update or word on this? I don't mean to sound like an ass, but your calculator is the best I've seen and I'd like it to be... well, usable post-SI. Scumbag 22:54, 29 April 2008 (EDT)