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New Username[edit]

My Username/account name has just been changed from Jreynolds2 to JR.

Sandboxi[edit]

I have moved the index to my sandboxes to my user page here.

A Late Welcome![edit]

Hello Jreynolds2! Welcome to UESPWiki. It's always good to have new members. You've clearly already understand editing, but you may want to take a look at the following links:

If you, on the other hand, would like to spice up your userpage, take a look at this link:

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When you're editing, it's always a good idea to leave edit summaries to explain the changes you have made to a particular page, and remember to sign your talk page posts with four tildes ~~~~. Also, the "show preview" button is a great way to view the changes you've made so far without actually saving the page (our patrollers really appreciate it!).

Feel free to practice editing in the sandbox or discuss the games in the forums. If you need any help, don't hesitate to contact one of our mentors. Have fun! --AKB Talk Cont Mail 16:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome and the guidance. Hope I can be a helpful contributor. Jreynolds2 16:34, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk pages[edit]

Hi, I just wanted to let you know that we typically don't change the comments left by others on talk pages. Abusive attacks, nonsense, and obscenities may be reverted or otherwise censored, and you can fix links and other formatting, but text itself should be preserved. Edits like this one, while improvements on the original, are technically inappropriate. You see that kind of thing on the actual pages, though, feel free to spruce it up. Minor Edits 06:24, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I get it, and I immediately get why. Thanks a lot for taking the time to let me know about this, and for communicating it in such a helpful way. --Jreynolds2Talk 06:54, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Some Thoughts about the "Quest Item Directs" Issue on The Community Portal Page[edit]

An unedited projectus-of-consciousness in reaction to the discussion here:

Just to clarify[edit]

While normal unnecessary pages need to be tagged with proposeddeletion, you can put a speedydeletion tag on your own userpages etc., as you did. Only admins can delete pages however, so you did exactly the right thing ;) ~ Dwarfmp 17:03, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. --Jreynolds2Talk 18:45, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Infiltration[edit]

Is it unacceptable to contribute to a question on someone's talk page? I noticed you deleted mine on rpeh's page, which is fine, I'm new here. I'm not familiar with the etiquette of talk pages but I've seen other people answer questions on talk pages that aren't theirs, so I was under the impression that it was okay. I apologise. The Invisible Chocobo 05:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

I erased your comment accidentally, Invisible. Really sorry that it confused you. It is completely acceptable to contribute to discussions on talk pages, and that's exactly what they are for. And it's not acceptable to delete or change (even correct a typo or spelling) someone else's comment on a talk page. If you look up at post 2 on this page, you'll see how I learned that! I am really glad that you wrote to me, so that we could fix it. Anyway, Robin Hood, who is really experienced with the system, saw what was happening and he got it back into the right shape for us.
Actually, before I even wrote to Rpeh, I noticed your post on his page about screenshots, and I thought, "I should contact you." I'm learning about this site, too, and maybe we can work together and figure some things out together. I have to run to work right now, but I'll contact you again soon. --Jreynolds2Talk 08:25, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit Conflict[edit]

Sorry, didn't mean to step on your toes on rpeh's talk page. I thought you'd accidentally undone the wrong edit, so I just went through the edit history and figured out what should've gone where. By the time I'd done that, though, you'd undone the second edit, and I realized what you were doing. Since I had the corrected version ready to go, though, I just saved mine after I got the E/C notice. Robin Hoodtalk 07:28, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. You thought right, and I was mildly panicking while trying to set things in order. Haha. It's all funny, except that my boo-boo caused the other person to wonder if he/she had done something wrong in trying to post a helpful reply on Rpeh's page. I got an email on my phone when I was away from my computer, and came back somewhat alarmed, "Now what have I done?"
Then I was trying to figure out which revision to undo, or if I should or even could undo, or if I was undoing undos, or .... a comedy of errors. I'm happy that you were able to deduce what happened, especially since one of the first things I did here was to unthinkingly "correct" someone's post on a talk page. Live and learn; and anyway, it might open up a connection with the other replier, who is another new editor. Maybe I and he or she can compare notes and cooperate a bit in our newbieness. That would be a fantastic end result of the matter. --Jreynolds2Talk 08:11, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Oh, so you weren't trying to do what I thought you were, then. That's even funnier! You're right, that was a comedy of errors. If you're wondering what I thought you were doing, I figured you were undoing by steps, then copying & pasting your own text back in. There are a couple of other approaches, but it's the same basic concept in the end. Robin Hoodtalk 08:29, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
Yep, no problem Jreynolds2. =3 I'm very new to wiki editing so it's okay. I'm happy to collaborate on stuff, most of what I know comes from having read and used a lot of the Oblivion pages. Oh, and I'm a she. The Invisible Chocobo 08:52, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

PNG vs JPG[edit]

Hey, I saw your post on rpeh's talk page about image formats. For screenshots, it's the standard here to use .jpg, as that format is better for large photo-style images and usually has smaller filesizes. The alpha that is referenced for PNG is the way transparency is implemented in images. So, since screenshots, and most images in general, don't need to be transparent at all, PNG's alpha advantage is a non-issue. Hope this clears it up! -- Hargrimm | Θ 05:25, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Transparently clear! Thanks. I thought I was being cool using .png format. I'll have to think of another way now. --Jreynolds2Talk E-mail 05:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Signature[edit]

You may want to check on your signature in your preferences. It still seems to be pointing towards User:Jreynolds2. Robin Hoodtalk 04:54, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Aha! That's why I haven't been getting cookies from my fans! You know, it was bungled by those quill-pushers at the Hold Clerk's office in Markarth. Never try to get anything important done in The Reach. --JRTalk E-mail 05:44, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
LOL! Looks good now. Robin Hoodtalk 06:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Blades Pictures[edit]

Make sure I know when this is uploaded, okay. I just want to finish the article, but there's no rush. See if you can get a picture of Blades fighting since we have no Blades on any quest on the wiki for skyrim right now.--Br3admax 05:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I probably didn't give you a full answer, sorry. I don't think I can take that kind of image soon. I have not yet done the necessary quests, and I have some other things to do first. I will keep it in mind, though, and I will definitely let you know if I can take some for you before someone else can. I guess it will take me at least a week or two. :-(
For any other readers: If you have, or can take, any shots of Blades in blade armor, especially in combat, Br3admax is hoping to improve the Blades faction page with them. He knows a lot about them. He has an XBox, so he can't take screenshots. You can also put a note in another place, Bmax. I think this is an appropriate place to make a new section and ask if anyone has an image or can take one and upload it for you. --JRTalk E-mail 06:04, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Rename Tag[edit]

Hey JR. I saw that you added the {{Rename}} tag to a talk page. The tag is supposed to be added to the article itself, for categorisation reasons. Thanks! --Legoless 15:05, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah. Got it. Thanks. --JRTalk E-mail 15:11, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

1,000,000 Edits![edit]

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Your dedication and diligence to the wiki has not gone unnoticed. A user has seen the progress you've made, and has given you a cookie because of it. Good work! The user had the following to say:

You beat me by one edit, but congrats on making the one millionth edit on UESP :) Eric Snowmane (Talk | Contribs | Block) 04:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

That's amazing. Thanks for letting me know. WHAT DID I WIN? Oh gosh. What will I wear to the award ceremony? And I need to think about my speech. :D --JRTalk E-mail 04:43, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Talking About Templates[edit]

Hey, JR. I noticed in this edit that you were trying to mention the Showhide template. Not sure if you know how to do that already and just goofed or if you don't know, so here are two different methods, just in case. The first is to use <nowiki>{{Showhide}}</nowiki>, which produces "{{Showhide}}"; the second is to use the {{Tl}} template, like this: {{tl|Showhide}}, which produces "{{Showhide}}". There are also variants on the Tl template, depending on what you want to do...see the documentation page for details. Robin Hoodtalk 20:30, 31 October 2012 (GMT)

Hi RH. Thanks. Actually, I pressed the "save changes" button as I was needing to run out of the house. When I took a look at it and saw that it wasn't what I intended, I almost wrote: "RH! Fix my mistake!" Haha. I realized that I did not want to include the table in my quote, so I just omitted it with an ellipsis. Thanks for the info about the Tl template. I'd never noticed it before.
By the way, Your section header, "Talking About Templates" could be the name of a TV program or webisode seriers: "Hello, I'm Robin Hood, and welcome once again to Talking About Templates. Today we're going to explore some of the more obscure templates, some of which have not been invoked for centuries. Today's program is brought to you by the good people at Black-Briar Meadery. Ummmm... Black-Briar!!" --JR (talk) 05:32, 1 November 2012 (GMT)
LOL! Robin Hoodtalk 20:46, 1 November 2012 (GMT)

Deletion[edit]

Hey JR! I zapped that image for you. Just a heads-up, in the future, you can go ahead and stick the {{prod}} tag right on the image page itself, rather than on its talk page. Also (and this really isn't a big deal, but just for your future knowledge), since that was a "test" image that wasn't really meant to be used and the uploader (you) requested it, that one technically qualified for a {{speed}} tag. Anyway, no harm, no foul—I'm just in an informative kind of mood, I guess ;). Have a good one! eshetalk 16:03, 7 November 2012 (GMT)

Hi. Thanks. I couldn't quite figure that out, so I thought I'd prod it everywhere! Also, I was going to speedy delete it, but the deletion policy page technically doesn't cover it. "Test pages by new users" (not a new user) or "redundant images" (I might be redundant, but the image wasn't). I wonder if we should add something, or ... maybe it's just a common sense thing.
Speaking of the Deletion Policy page, I think a while ago, I removed the bold from that one list, and you put it back. I see why you like the bold, but it looks confusing contrasted with the little subheadings (Articles, Images, User Pages), don't you think? Kind of like if everything is emphasized, nothing is emphasized. I dunno. Maybe underline AND bold the three subheadings? I'm pretty far on the "don't emphasize much" side because it can, at least in theory, suggest that something else that's not emphasized is not important. OK. I'm not much for short answers, but thanks again. Information is good! --JR (talk) 18:08, 7 November 2012 (GMT)

Honeycomb :D[edit]

Thank you so much for your kindness, JR! :D :D **GLOMPS** I used Psylocke's image, but I truly appreciate your efforts, JR! Divines bless your kind heart! Audrey Gally talk 18:52, 8 November 2012 (GMT)

You're welcome, and thanks for your efforts, too. Yes. Psylocke made a brilliant image. She may be one of the Nine Divines of screenshots. --JR (talk) 01:18, 9 November 2012 (GMT)

accidental edit![edit]


Thanks! Glad it went on the page. Being so new, I am still navigating the edit process, and my cursor jumps around (I do everything on a mobile), so I didn't actually intend to do anything aside from responding to your questions. I actually don't know what I "edited"...Sorry about that! I'm consuming any and all info I can find here about how to behave while contributing...I do still have trouble with where to start a new section, specific content going on personal talk pages vs. into an email, etc. Basic things that will work out through trial and error. I don't think editing what someone has said is inside my comfort zone so if it happens, it's my limited tools and my ineptitude. :) Thanks for the response and the offer to help! Crayolamanic (talk) 07:50, 14 November 2012 (GMT)

You are welcome. To be clear, you can certainly edit what people write on article pages, just not (usually) on talk pages, and you can go ahead and be brave when you want to try doing that. Someone will look at your edit fairly soon, and if there's something wrong, they will fix it. If they do not explain why they undid or changed one of your edits, you can ask them on their talk page, or you can ask me or any other editor.
You did not need the ---- at the top of your edit when you made this section here. The horizontal line will appear whenever you create a new section. There are three ways to make a new section (I think). One is to use the little "+" button at the top of a page. That will make a new section at the bottom. Also, you can add a ==header== at the bottom of an existing section (while editing). Finally, when you're in viewing mode, not editing mode, you can click "add section" to do just that.
What kind of mobile device do you have? It is hard to edit the wiki on a small screen right now. I try sometimes on my smartphone, and it's usually so frustrating that I give up. Becoming more mobile-friendly is one of our goals. If someone has more information on this, or if they can correct or add to something I've said above, they might do it here.
If you want to make an edit, and you have trouble doing so because of your device, you can send me an email, and I'll do it for you and mention that I'm doing it on your behalf.
It's fine to let people know that you're new, but I advise you against making too many comments that you're inept, etc. Every one of us here started off in a new environment, so don't worry. Most people will be nice and helpful. If people are sometimes brief or seem "short", it is probably just because they are working hard to stay caught up on patrolling all the edits to the wiki. --JR (talk) 08:34, 14 November 2012 (GMT)
Thanks for pointing out the details. That's exactly what I need to see. The edit page loaded up on my phone with the dashes in place, and I didn't touch it out of fear. I didn't know what erasing it would undo. I'm using my smartphone, it's Android and it's going to drive me insane for for wiki use. I borrowed some laptop time for tonight and this is so. much. easier. Thank you for the offer to post edits on my behalf. I don't think I'll be too concerned about people being "short", it sort of comes with the territory. It's great to have a community that's obsessive about the same kind of things I am; mainly Elder Scrolls, sharing information, and editing. I am going to love it here. :) — Unsigned comment by Crayolamanic (talkcontribs) at 03:46 on 15 November 2012
You are welcome. I have an Android smartphone, too, and it's almost impossible to use it to edit this wiki. I'll keep my eyes and ears open for any hints about how or when it might get more mobile-friendly. You forgot to sign your post just above. One of the most common mistakes, and it does not necessarily get better with experience. I'll fix it now by taking your user name and time of the post from the page history, then using a template to cause it to appear on the page in a standard format. --JR (talk) 05:08, 15 November 2012 (GMT)

Renaming Pages[edit]

Hey there JR. I noticed that you slapped a couple of {{rename}} tags on some of your pages. Well, just to inform you that proposing a rename is unnecessary, because these are your own subpages in your userspace (that don't really need discussion for renaming). You can simply move them yourself, and then mark the redirect pages (i.e., the source pages) with {{speed}} tags, indicating author request. Yea.. just thought I'd mention this to you. It saves the admins a bit of time too :) ~ Psylocke 14:29, 25 November 2012 (GMT)

Well, my motto is, "Why do for yourself, what an admin must do for you"? Seriously, I had forgotten that. I'll do it. Thanks. Your fix of my typo that was trying to fix a typo was pretty funny. --JR (talk) 15:19, 25 November 2012 (GMT)

Note from King Mango[edit]

(moved from userpage)

Hiya JR, I'm also named Jim but sadly, have never been to Taiwan. I'm of half a mind to tackle teaching English abroad as I have few luxury needs and need to travel before I get too much older. Thanks for your help and just wanted to let you know for some reason my watchlist page doesn't have any entries in it. I'll see if I can find out why. King Mango (talk) 08:10, 1 December 2012 (GMT)

Hi fellow Jim. You are welcome to email me (left column near the bottom on my user page or talk page) if you want to hear more about my experience living here. When you edit a page, just above the "Save page" button, there is a checkbox, "Watch this page." If it is not checked by default, you can change that by going to "my preferences", (top right of page), "Watchlist", then "Advanced" at the bottom. Then, every time you edit a page, the system will watch it for you. This can be helpful when you want to track changes to a page (like one that you've posted on). Or you can begin checking the box manually each time you want to watch a page. Alternatively, add a page to your watchlist at any time by clicking the "watch" tab, top-center.
If you don't log-in to the wiki often (or even if you do), you can go to "my preferences" > profile, and check the box, "email me when a page on my watchlist changes." --JR (talk) 08:52, 1 December 2012 (GMT)
Ah thank you for the heads up on the watch tab. I see now how the users also have a personal page and a discussion page. Nice feature. I would love to hear about your extended stay and will email you some time soon.King Mango (talk) 09:42, 1 December 2012 (GMT)
Yes. Essentially, every page has a "main/article" page and a "discussion/talk page". When you write on a talk page, indent your comment (:) one more level than the comment above yours. If yours is the first, no :. The second, one :, etc. Don't worry about it, people are happy to come along and fix them for you, and we would rather have people jumping in and contributing/using the wiki rather than studying every policy first, but at some point someone will ask you to do it like this. Sure, email me any time. I've been here six years! I love it, but going somewhere so different for such a long time is not for most people. --JR (talk) 10:07, 1 December 2012 (GMT)

Anchors[edit]

Hello JR! I realised you added some notes regarding anchors in your sandbox, and you're right - there is a more standard way. Instead of typing out <span id="anchor name">"text to be anchored"</span>, we have a template which does that: {{LE}}. Simply type {{LE|text to be anchored}} instead of the span tags; might save you some time! :) ~ Psylocke 03:36, 14 December 2012 (GMT)

Thanks. I knew there was a simple way, but I'd never used it before. --JR (talk) 03:41, 14 December 2012 (GMT)

Advice[edit]

Comments like this could be interpreted as a personal attack against Jeancey and/or The Silencer. Personal attacks are grounds for an immediate block, so you might want to pick your words more carefully in the future. I don't know the context, so I may be missing a piece of information that might make sense of that comment, but regardless, it's probably best not to refer to someone as someone else's "beyotch", jokingly or not. I don't believe it was your intention to offend, but I just wanted to make sure you knew how someone might misinterpret your words of encouragement. Thanks! ThuumofReason (talk) 17:56, 16 January 2013 (GMT)

I agree. Thanks for calling my attention to it. I was obviously writing like only a few people who know me would read it. It's much better now, and I appreciate the thoughtful wording of your message. --JR (talk) 18:23, 16 January 2013 (GMT)
That's what I'm here for. :-) I knew right away what you meant, and I know that it's not unusual for guys to take jabs at their close friends, but that same kind of jesting can offend people who you aren't close enough to to know that you're joking. And yes, I am speaking from experience. ThuumofReason (talk) 18:32, 16 January 2013 (GMT)

Question about questions[edit]

Hi JR. I have asked a question on the Skyrim:Services talk page (I don't know how to add a link here for it, sorry) and I was wondering if you could take a look at it, and let me know what your thoughts are. Also, whether that is an example of a place to use the tag for a question that needs to be answered, and how to do that. I thought of you because I think you were the first to contact me after my welcome message on my talk page. :) And I think you're pretty funny. --Crayolamanic (talk) 09:32, 28 February 2013 (GMT)

Hi. I will have to take a look at it later. Maybe someone else can answer you first. I can answer the easy question now: To link there, go to the talk page's website: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim_talk:Services, then copy and paste the part after wiki/ in this case Skyrim_talk:Services, then add characters until you have the following: (Look at this in edit mode): I asked a question on the Services talk page. --JR (talk) 10:18, 28 February 2013 (GMT)
Hey friend, do you want to take a look at my revisions at Skyrim:Transport and let me know what you think? Thanks! --Crayolamanic (talk) 09:40, 9 March 2013 (GMT)
Hi Crayola. I think you did an amazing job at completing the page. At the same time, you will see that I have made some pretty significant revisions. Some of my decisions I don't feel all that sure about, so you can let me know what you think, and others will obviously continue to improve it. Please take a look at some of the larger pieces of text I removed, for example on horses. I did not study the information there carefully to see if some or all of it should be added to the Horses page, which is not in the best shape. If you want to discuss it further, I'm happy to, and open-minded. :p --JR (talk) 16:25, 9 March 2013 (GMT)
Beautiful. Clear, concise, omitted the clumsy wording...this is so much better. I figured if I threw that info up there, it would get the attention it needed. I'm so happy with what you did. I see that every time I do something that requires me to just "be bold", there is always a lesson here to be BOLDER. It often comes from you. :) I had no idea how to do any of that, links, lists (which ended up being unnecessary) but I just deconstructed what I saw in the edit box and guessed. It's so satisfying when I guess right and the show preview page shows me what I was trying to make happen! I'm really happy with the welcome and help you've given me so far, what a great way to be inducted into the community. Thanks for all of it. The page looks ten times better than it did before. (I didn't look at the sections other than the Carriage Drivers bit, going there now.) --Crayolamanic (talk) 17:41, 9 March 2013 (GMT)
Ok after looking through the entire page (I think), my thinking is that even if we have a link, some information should be present on the page itself (horses), even if just very brief and what is really relevant to what the user might be looking for; I tend to think in terms of a user seeking info, rather than an editor, so I think if we mention horses in transport we ought to at least include the bit about fast travel being allowed, since it is more a transport issue than a horses issue, etc. :) I will throw the bits I think should be added up there and you can perform whatever surgery you deem necessary. :) --Crayolamanic (talk) 18:03, 9 March 2013 (GMT)
Thanks for the kind words. It made me feel great, to be honest. Despite appearances to new eyes, perhaps, I could not even make a simple table like the one on the page, unless I got lucky and found then copied something close enough, or really stopped to learn about it (which would be terrible, of course). I also gave it another revision. Though, actually, it might have been nice if we had collaborated on the page more closely from the beginning, after you made your improvements to the page. Sometimes, it feels better to do that kind of revising in a sandbox, and give each other more comments and suggestions. Just having work undone/revised often doesn't feel that great, or brings mixed feelings at best. Also, I can call myself a professional writer and editor, so if you think that I made improvements in the flow of your language, it might be interesting to talk about why. I like to talk about writing.
Although it would have been much more productive or meaningful if we had done it the first time, I'll do it now: At least explain some of my thoughts as I made the latest few revisions:
Yes, I can see your logic in adding more back or deleting less about horses, etc.; my reasoning is from my understanding of a basic guideline that's pretty well-established in the community. I don't think it's written as an official policy, but it's often cited as a reason for making decisions: As little duplication as possible. The main reason for that is so that we don't have to update information on a certain topic at all kinds of locations around the wiki when we learn more, or need to revise something. It's a hard call, sometimes, though, when the information really feels it belongs on more than one page. Also, and ironically, sometimes if we write a detail or two about something, a user might think, "Well, I guess that's all the important stuff about xxx, so I won't click the link." I just went with my best sense on that issue, but it's at a point where it's hard to say what's better or worse now. It's all great. If you want to undo something or everything, then ... be bold that way, too! It's really the only way to fully participate as a contributor. Sometimes we score, and sometimes we learn from someone else (not always a fun experience in the short-term). With this, we can certainly keep talking about it until we both feel happy. (That's when another person will then come in and do a major overhaul of the page!)
Removing "making them a potentially indispensable option.": This shows a well-developed writing style. So, I think you have a good command of language. But to me (maybe me only), this particular phrase in this context sounds like ... well, maybe "marketing language." I know you made an effort to stay away from that, you didn't write "You simply must get a horse!" But whenever we can move something away from a suggestion, we try to keep a neutral point of view (which is not really possible, and sometimes doesn't make sense for a game wiki, where it's often appropriate to give advice). But when possible, I try to provide users with good information, and let THEM conclude if something is indispensable or not. Does that make sense? Still, you could no doubt find any moderate or longer piece of writing I've done, and see point-of-view stuff all over it. On the other hand, I added info about horses and encumbrance, because you can be overencumbered on a horse: A horse has a certain carryweight capacity that is added to yours. That's one of the problems: How to write something brief and concise but also include everything there is worth knowing about the games on the wiki. So, I'd either leave it to the horse page, or make it more detailed and accurate. The only other issue of significance, I think, is pointing out the OB/SR difference. I think it's fair to say that there's been a bit of a trend away from pointing out every change in the game mechanics. Sometimes, it's very useful for new players to know, but in this case, I don't think it's such a critical issue. If a player really cares much, they will probably notice, and, more importantly, if we made a list of all facts about horses, How highly would that one rate, and Does it deserve mention in what is intended to mainly serve as a link to another article. My feeling was "no". But I wouldn't argue if your or someone else felt differently. I'm going to stick one more thought on here: I don't think the category is quite right. It does not look like a hint page to me. If I was working alone, I'd ask some other people, maybe on the IRC, to suggest whether or not it belongs to that category or to any other, and whether the trail tag at the top makes sense. Would you like to do that? You can also ask on the talk page of the article. Or if anyone's reading this book I've written, maybe they have an idea they can add here.
I really glad that you are enjoying contributing. And you are right on track: It's all about being bold and trying things. Starting something imperfectly or even poorly, is still starting something, and it's valuable. If you want to work together on another article sometime, let me know, and we can consider doing it another way, as I mentioned above. Take care! --JR (talk) 09:29, 10 March 2013 (GMT)

() So, when I was updating the carriage destinations added by Hearthfire, I didn't feel ready to rewrite the whole section - all I did was splice the new into the old. The language was really not mine, and I'm glad you rewrote it. The whole page is easier to absorb. I just wanted to get the new info on the page. In time I will be more comfortable with total page revision, like what you did - and certainly seeing the process happen will bring me closer to that comfort level. I have to say after looking at it a bit longer and reading your explanations, I am in complete agreement with directing the user to a link for Horses, rather than just putting "little bits" :) on the page, it makes perfect sense to do it that way to ensure that they get all the available information rather than just what I/we *think* might be useful highlights. So thanks for laying that reasoning out for me. I think many people will run into the same encumbrance issue I am always fighting, so that bit about fast travel with horses is a gem. I don't, however, know how to offer this kind of hint and still keep to wiki standards. I just think of what would be most useful for me. Also, and I put this on the talk page, do you know the numbers for added carry capacity while riding a horse? That would certainly be a good little stat to add to the table.

I have this feeling you and I should move some of our wordy discussions off the talk page, or it will be bloated quickly. I set this up for UESP-related stuff:

crayolamanic@gmail.com

If you want to contact me that way for collaboration, I'd be tickled. --Crayolamanic (talk) 00:47, 11 March 2013 (GMT)

The Final Descent[edit]

Hey JR! Looking good! The trick with this page is to let the quotes from the in-game journal follow/support the walkthrough. Remember to leave room for images in the following sections: The conversation, the discovery of the sealed-off section of the mine – and some happy-go-lucky image for the final section, where everything is happy. Just so you don’t shorten the sections too much, as the images can'ttouch the quote boxes. Otherwise, no comments – nice work, so let’s do this! ☺--Krusty (talk) 08:48, 11 March 2013 (GMT)

Hey Krusty. Forgot to answer you here, Didn't realize that. As we said on IRC, I'll do my best, whether it's in the sandbox or out in the cruel world. --JR (talk) 14:19, 12 March 2013 (GMT)
Sorry, to go back on my word here, but on the other hand, the header above identifies perhaps too perfect a place to say goodbye. When a certain percentage of my efforts meet reverts, and what I too-often feel is a (usually puffed-up) condescension over trivialities such as this; when this happens when both or us are in IRC; and when the patroller has within the past few weeks responded to one of my edits to (or comments on) his work with a hurt/outraged, "PM me (on the IRC) if you have a problem with one of my edits"; I had to ask myself if the rewards of contributing are still worth the effort. The honest answer is No. The follow-up in IRC to my response that policy allows exceptions to the "hands off talk page edits idea" from Eshe, was that there is no such exception. In fact, the policy is ambiguous on this, at best. Even the first two words below have apparently lost all meaning among those whose thinking modes appear to include black, and, for occasional variety, white—as has the word "some" which begins the second sentence:
"In general, editors should not modify or delete talk page contributions made by other editors. Some exceptions are:
Archiving of old discussions ....
Minor corrections of other editors' contributions are acceptable, for example indenting a comment or fixing a link if a page is moved. These types of corrections should never change the contribution's substance or intent. This includes not correcting grammar or typos unless doing so was clearly the original poster's intent and the error would not be obvious to most readers...."
Anything like an inquiry, like, "What were you thinking when you did this?", or an invitation by either party to collaborative decrypt especially this last sentence above, which may once have been coherent, might have at least delayed this decision, but that wasn't the case. Along with someone I had never spoken to greeting me with "I hate you" on IRC, a few days ago, I just can't get around the idea that multiple forces are telling me it's time to see if some other kind of spare time activity might be a better fit. Working with others always involves conflict and frustration, and generally the best things to do are to adapt to them or resolve them, so I'm not storming out, fantasizing that I'm teaching anyone a lesson, nor imagining that everyone who reads this is going to be dabbing away tears; nor have I designated these couple of behaviors I raise as mortal sins. I've taken the time to make a calm and all-things-considered decision, and again, it's simple: lately, I've just gotten too many doses of people looking for chances to call other people wrong instead of asking themselves if they can see how people are trying to contribute, then helping them to do so, which—first and foremost—means extending warmth, appreciation, and respect to others. I guess not enough of the active body of contributors at the moment think that such is interesting enough or cool enough. There are plenty who do, and I think that I've told most of those types directly that I see it and appreciate it. Maybe I'll come back and take a look some time, but not soon, and actually, not likely.
Please use anything half-started in any sandbox that might be useful to anyone. Otherwise, a few of you know how to contact me, and I look forward to staying in touch, otherwise, nothing personal, but even with many of you I know and have worked and played with for some time now, I prefer to direct my energies elsewhere rather than discussing my decision or engaging in goodbyes. It's honestly been a good experience for me, over the whole period since I started contributing, and I think the wiki has as much potential as ever, if not more than ever, to offer similar (and differing) rewards to others. Goodbye! --JR (talk) 20:05, 14 March 2013 (GMT)

Farewell[edit]

I'm sorry to see you leave. You have been a key part of our community, and I'm sad to see that you won't be with us any longer. I'm sorry if the community wasn't accepting or friendly; it's never good to see a user leave the site, especially because of other users' misconduct (I'm not singling anyone out). You have been very helpful, especially in IRC, where you have mediated and helped many users with their personal problems, when they needed help most - I know I've had to rely on the kindness you offered at least once.

Farewell, and I hope that your other life adventures are more enjoyable.

Talos guide you,

JAT 22:23, 14 March 2013 (GMT)

I wanted to add that I miss you already....Just in case you peeked. :( --Crayolamanic (talk) 08:12, 18 March 2013 (GMT)
Aww, well that blows... You've always been one of the friendliest and kindest editor around, no matter what happened, in sharp contrast with the robot-like reactions of some other "important" members of UESP. This is a greater loss that most people here might imagine. Elakyn (talk) 08:54, 18 March 2013 (GMT)
About all I can say is that I hope you'll return after a break. If not, I understand, but it would be unfortunate for a wiki. You've been a good editor. Robin Hood  (talk) 18:25, 18 March 2013 (GMT)

come back to irc, you are awesome! Nastidon (talk) 19:12, 30 March 2013 (GMT)

I was hoping to see some new activity here...Thought you might have renewed interest since ESO. You are missed. Crayolamanic (talk) 04:03, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Crayolamanic. Nice to hear from you. I had a great time playing some of the games and trying to contribute to the wiki, but other things took priority and they've stayed that way. I haven't even seen ESO, because I know I'd get addicted and neglect my responsibilities. Use the "Email this user" function on this page, if you want to chat a little more. Or let me know if you think about how to write or edit something and you want a second opinion. I still enjoy writing and editing. Take care! --JR (talk) 03:05, 2 December 2015 (UTC)