User talk:Eshe/Archive 7

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Welcome back

It's good to see your name on the Recent Changes page again: long may it continue. I hope all is well. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 13:26, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Thanks. I think of it as "testing the waters." We'll see how things go. –Eshe^talk 13:53, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

It's indeed nice to see you again. Best wishes. --Timenn < talk > 14:02, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Thanks Timenn. It's good to see you too :). –Eshe^talk 17:00, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Hey! I don't think we've ever had a chance to meet. Good to finally see you after a long period of inactivity. Best of luck! --SerCenKing ^Talk 16:49, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Thanks! And thank you for all the work you've been doing. I'm sure you've been here long enough to know that every little bit counts, so your efforts are definitely appreciated! I look forward to working with you :). –Eshe^talk 17:00, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

A "hey" from me as well. I joined back in february, and have gone through several "edit histories" wondering, who this "Eshe" was. Good to see you! Krusty 17:23, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

Nice to meet you :) *waves*. I see you've been quite busy as well! Thanks for all your hard work! –Eshe^talk 17:30, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

Concerning my revision of Argonians of June 8

Why would that be "unnecessary"? The whole point of having information digested in the Ideal Chararacter section seems to be to help people who can't figure it out for themselves. Otherwise we could just cut that whole section out since none of it really adds anything that isn't already presented in numbers on the chart. It's all full of unnecessary information.
It is also not clear by this chart alone, or anywhere else on this wiki (afaik), that Argonian is the only race that displaces 20 points depending on your choice of sex rather than the usual 10. I think this is worth pointing out to the oblivious player and the Ideal Character section is the place to do it since you can't effectively sum up Argonians as characters without it. Skrofler 11:50, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

To be quite honest, I think all the "Ideal Character" sections should be taken off. They're all essentially the opinions of one person so it's all subjective. Might be worth having the debate.

On this particular question, I think Eshe's right that the table makes it clear enough. Less is often more. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 12:04, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

You might be right. If Morrowind plays anything like Oblivion (goodness it's been a long time since I've touched Morrowind!), then it ultimately won't matter at all how your stats start off, since you can pretty much do anything with any character. I'd like to get more opinions before scrapping all of the sections, but I agree that they seem unnecessary. At the very least I think we ought to change the section heading to "Gameplay," like in the Oblivion articles. –Eshe^talk 12:17, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

I think these sections have quality and use and wouldn't mind keeping them. It doesn't matter if they once were made by one hand. We only need to decide if they meet the standard.

On the other hand I can see how a section that invites to sharing of opinion as opposed to fact could easily become bloated or disputed and we may want to save us some trouble.

I don't care much about this section either way. I mainly wanted to come here and see what makes an admin and a patroller tick. I'd better find out or I may keep making perfectly useful revisions that are just going to be rolled back because I'm not aware of your standards. Skrofler 05:40, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

I have a feeling others may agree with you about those sections, which would explain why they're still there. Let's bring it up on the Community Portal, shall we?

At the moment I'm little more than just another editor who happens to be doing some other work on the side. What matters is that I made that edit because I thought it was better for the page and therefore the site as a whole, not because there's a mysterious commandment floating out there the says "Ye shall keep the Pages forever clear of Sentences regarding the Genders of the Races." The fact that I happen to be an administrator has nothing to do with it.

I've long since lost track of how many of my edits have been reverted in my time here. It's just part of the job, and it's certainly nothing personal. We all have different opinions about edits like this, which is why we talk them over, yes?

And if you want to learn how an Eshe ticks, this is a good place to start, but thankfully we all tick rather differently :). –Eshe^talk 11:07, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Speedy Deletion?

Yes, I have no use for it, and neither do the members of the UESP. I'd like it deleted as soon as possible. Do I have to add the speedydeletion template? Ninja Hinder 20:58, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

Nope, I'll just squish it. I just wanted to double check with you before I started clicking the Big Buttons ;). –Eshe^talk 21:09, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

Thank you! Ninja Hinder 21:17, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

(Header)

Haha thanks for the greeting — Unsigned comment by MarineCorps93 (talk • contribs)

You're welcome :) –Eshe^talk 00:42, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Mentor?

By the way, the one above me was MarineCorps93, who you greeted today. I'm pretty sure that you don't know me too well, but I was wondering if I could qualify to be a mentor? I'm not actually nominating myself or anything like that, i'm just wondering if I could make it. Any answer will do. Ninja Hinder 00:22, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Currently, you do not qualify. You have 418 edits, with over 300 coming from the User and Talk namespaces, which do not count. Plus, I have not seen many quality edits outside of the namespaces. Keep editing and maybe you can become one at a later date! :) --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 00:34, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Mr. Oblivion is correct. The vast majority of your edits are either in you user space, on talk pages, or on Roleplaying or fanfiction pages, which we don't really think of as "constructive" edits. Also, it seems you have not enabled email contact, which would also disqualify you if you are not sufficiently active in IRC. As I haven't been on IRC for ages, I'm not qualified to say whether you're active there or not. (See the Mentor Program page for the list of requirements for Mentors.) Focus on making quality constructive edits, and you'll meet those requirements before you know it ;). –Eshe^talk 00:42, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Hmm, roleplaying edits don't count? I'm in the process of fixing every last one of them. I see that I probably wouldn't work as a member, since I edit more to suit my own ends than to help the overall wiki. It'd be a nice thought, but I don't see myself pulling 100 edits outside of roleplaying/fanfiction in a week. I've decided to not go for it; Thanks for the opinions/facts. Ninja Hinder 00:51, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Well, they do count...sort of. Cleanup edits are very much appreciated (thanks for doing that, by the way--those pages can be a real nightmare!), but we're really looking for more constructive edits in the "main" areas of the site. And just because you can't do it in a week doesn't mean it'll never happen. There will still be plenty of work to do after you get back! –Eshe^talk 01:30, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

A hello to you!

I believe we haven't met yet, as I've just recently joined when you were absent, but I just want to say hello to you, especially since you have almost reached 10000 edits! It is also nice to see another CS-checker for the ONPCRP-project. Anyway, it's good to have such an active contributor back! Wolok gro-Barok 13:33, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Thanks! It's good to be back, especially since I keep meeting all of you fantastic new editors! Well, new to me, anyway. It's nice to see people doing consistently good work around here. Keep it up, okay? ;) –Eshe^talk 15:23, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry

I didn't mean to actually edit his page. I just opened the editing box so I can could see how to do some of the things he did. I probably on accident hit save changes without actually making any changes. I also used the other editing guides on the site as well, again I apologize for that mistake I'm still kinda learning the ropes. Silkysmooth 19:48, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Don't worry about it! It's really not a big deal. Wolok gro-Barok‎ doesn't seem to really mind others editing his page anyway. I just wanted to let you know since it's not necessarily common knowledge for new users ;). That is a really good way to learn wiki markup though (in fact it's kind of how I started learning it!) so don't be afraid to look at pages if you're curious about how things are done. Again, if you have any questions, please feel free to ask. –Eshe^talk 19:53, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Editing an existing Place

Hi, I'm sorta new to the wiki and was just wondering if it is alright to edit the notes on the "People" section of a location to include special items; weapons and such. I noticed that some NPC's are given links to professions and thought it would be good to note special items if you were to get into a scuffle with that particular NPC. I probably should have asked before I changed the page, but I can always change it back if need be. Great website, wish I had known about this the first time I played through Morrowind. Junebug1138

It would probably make more sense to add that kind of information to the NPC's article instead of the location page. We're actually working on a project for the Oblivion NPCs right now that includes inventories for every character, so I don't see any problem with including similar information for Morrowind NPCs. Morrowind has so many NPCs that the non-relevant ones do not have their own page, but as long as you stick to adding useful information to existing articles, I think you're fine!

And don't worry about asking permission to edit articles. There's no need unless you're proposing a major project or rewrite. There are several other users (Patrollers, for example) who watch the Recent Changes page and monitor any edits that are made to the site.

I hope that answers your question! Let me know if you need anything else. –Eshe^talk 18:49, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

Help Editing My User Page

Im new and im not sure how to edit the user page I access by clicking my name. if there is a page you could reference me to, this would be a great help. Thanks! NJDThanatos 16:53, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

Well, the sandbox actually has a lot of useful information as far as what can be done with wiki markup, so that might be a good place to start. There's also a few pages for userboxes you can use (you can even make your own!). Other than that, your best bet is probably to find a page you like, steal the code, and customize it for your own page! Just make sure though that if you're going to use the "edit" tab to look at another user's page, don't accidentally click save ;). Hope that helps! –Eshe^talk 00:18, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

Help with the project

Hi, nice to meet you. I'm new so we haven't quite met, but would already like to get started with the NPC project. I've helped a little bit with those "ignored" NPC's, but I haven't figured out how to tag myself on the little project template thingy since it says its semi-protected. can you please help, thanks =) Nickster 21:13, 15 June 2009 (EDT)Nickster

I'm glad you want to help! We could certainly use it. To mark what you've done on a page, you need to add the corresponding parameter to the template at the top of the page. For example, if you've written the inventory for a particular page, you would add |inventory=[[User:Nickster|Nickster]] to the {{cleanup-obnpcrp tag. It's also helpful if you indicate whether the information comes from in-game or the construction set. I work with the construction set, so I tag my contributions with [[User:Eshe|Eshe]] (CS). Hope that helps! –Eshe^talk 21:28, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

oh, ok! thanks!— Unsigned comment by Nickster (talk • contribs)

Also, whenever possible, please use the "Show preview" button before you save a page. This helps avoid multiple consecutive edits to a page, which is a big help to patrollers and other users who watch the Recent Changes page. Thanks! Happy editing :). –Eshe^talk 21:35, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

Thanks

Thank you for the pleasant introduction. I always appriciate friendly welcomes.

And I'll need to go to that section. I'm still learning everything. I've basically only been using the guides on here, but I would love to start contributing.

Oh, and I hope I posted this in the right area. Hehe.— Unsigned comment by KitsuneErisu (talk • contribs)

Yup, you got it! ;). And you're quite welcome. Just let me know if you have any questions! –Eshe^talk 17:25, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

I hope I'm responding right. Hehe... I actually have several questions to ask. Some of which are in-game-based questions. ----Kitsune 20:05, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

I'll do my best to help you with game-related questions, although I tend to be most familiar with Construction Set data. I can almost certainly help you with anything wiki-related, though. What can I help you with? –Eshe^talk 20:14, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

Well, for the first question, game-related, do you know how to drop quest-related items on the ground? Because I have several that I have but I've already completed the quests and they're rather annoying.

And for I have too many questions about building my page and other such things. Haha. I mean, I've got the simplest part down I think. But thats not good enough. Ummmm, do you happen to have MSN Instant Messenger? It would make it WAYYY easier to discuss this.--Kitsune 23:14, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

You can't drop quest items unless you use the console (probably the setquestobject command), so if you're using a different platform, I'm afraid you're out of luck. To answer your other question, I'm available through my talk page, email, and IRC. I'll be logged into the wiki channel for a while if you'd like to stop by :). –Eshe^talk 23:20, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry if it seemed as if I am impatient with that last post. I just really wanted to know how to fix it. But, as you said, it seems I'm out of luck... And I'll try and join your chat channel thing right now. Hehe.— Unsigned comment by KitsuneErisu (talk • contribs)

(outdent) No problem. There's just a lot of good reasons why we don't encourage posting the same question in multiple places, so I thought I'd let you know :). –Eshe^talk 23:56, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

I'll keep that in mind. :D --Kitsune 21:11, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

Oblivion Picture

I noticed you changed the location of the Collector's Edition picture, however, now there is a rather large space in-between that and the GOTY picture. I think it is best when it is closest to the other two. --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 10:18, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

Hmm. Maybe there's a difference in our monitors then. On mine it appears there's only a small space, whereas before the new image was floating to the left of the other images. I'll take another look. –Eshe^talk 10:28, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

Hmmm, no it doesn't look much better. The space is still rather large. I might try something here in a second. --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 10:36, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

Huh. Okay, I'll try switching computers...–Eshe^talk 10:40, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

I think I got it. It should be the same across all monitors now. --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 10:42, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

That'll work! Thanks! Note to self: don't edit for layout on your laptop anymore. ;) –Eshe^talk 10:47, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

Haha, I always have to tell myself that because I always forget (as evidenced by my edit earlier). :) --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 10:52, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

HTML Messed up?

I found a messed up article here. It's Skill Perks for Oblivion. But, theres something wrong with the Javascript. Atleast I think so. --KitsuneErisu 12:44, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

I don't see anything wrong with the page. --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 12:45, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

Er...what's the problem exactly? I don't see anything fishy.

Also, when you're linking to a page within the site, you can just do this instead of including the full URL. And while I'm at it, please do make use of the "Show preview" button when you're editing. It helps cut down on multiple edits, which helps us keep track of what's going on (and prevents other users from running into edit conflicts when trying to respond to a message). –Eshe^talk 12:48, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

(This was meant to be posted a few minutes ago but got caught up in an edit conflict) Can you specify exactly whats wrong? The only language we use here is the wiki syntax so i dont really see how javascript could affect it unless its something at the server end in which case youll need to talk to the Webmaster --Volanaro ^Talk 12:50, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

Alright. Sorry Eshe.

Wow. That is mighty strange... I visited that page several times and nothing would show up, but now it looks fine. Sorry about that. False alarm... --KitsuneErisu 12:55, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

It's okay! Sometimes the server doesn't play nice for a few minutes and these things can happen. –Eshe^talk 12:58, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry! ^_^

Sorry for throwing up messages in the split second before you do! I guess that just means we are good at our jobs! :) --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 23:20, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

That's okay! I don't mind. Keeps me on my toes! Or ever perched at the ready to undo my own messages ;). –Eshe^talk 23:21, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Question...

How do you exactly take away a comment you leave? Do you just edit it, then erase it all? --KitsuneErisu 20:33, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

I hate to barge in on your talk page, Eshe, but I can answer.

That is the basic way to remove a comment. Although, I wouldn't personally recommend removing comments that could be a help to other people reading. Is there a reason you want to remove a comment? --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 20:37, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, if you want to delete anything (not just comments), you would just go into the page and erase it. You can also undo your own edit if it was the last change made to the page. –Eshe^talk 23:09, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

Alright, thanks. And no, I dont neccessarily want to delete anything, I just wanted to know for future reference. --KitsuneErisu^(Talk) 16:23, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Help me....

I usually dont get mad to fast, but this is seriously aggravating me. I hope you can help.

Whenever I go to edit something, when I click "Show preview", it logs me out. Help..? --KitsuneErisu^(Talk) 15:48, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Go to my preferences at the top and then click Editing. Try checking Show preview on first edit and Show preview before edit box. See if that works! :) --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 16:15, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Well, now looking into it more, it'll just randomly log me in and out. For instance, it logged me out right now, so when I put my signature, it'll be my IP address.

And when I click preview, it logs me back in?... This is all messed up.. --KitsuneErisu^(Talk) 16:21, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Hmm...not sure what's going on there, sorry. I know sometimes (though very rarely) I've been logged out, but I've never had that particular problem. Do you frequently lose your internet connection? I suppose that could be causing it. –Eshe^talk 16:28, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

No, I don't usually lose connection. Ehh. I hate to say it, but I think I might have to settle with this... But I'm gonna try restarting my computer and internet. --71.102.70.149 16:35, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Make sure you allow cookies and all of that good stuff. --Mr. Oblivion^(T-C) 16:37, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Reply to links.

Thanks, Is there any orphaned pages that actually need linked to or from.Ag2013 20:36, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

At first glace, it doesn't really look like it. Feel free to check this list and this list if you like, but most of those are going to be description pages that don't need links. –Eshe^talk 20:44, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Alright thanks, I'm just trying to find something constructive to do on the Wiki. It doesn't look like much other than spelling, grammar, and formatting. :-) --Ag2013 20:55, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

There's actually plenty to do, depending what you're interested in! Spelling and grammar edits are very useful, but we also have a task list that's full of projects for anyone who's interested. Just follow the instructions there :). –Eshe^talk 20:57, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Re: Show Preview

Trust me, I am trying to develop that habit, but please understand that old habits die hard. However, I think it would make it a lot easier, not just on me, but on other editors, if the links were not case sensitive. See, most of the times when I have to go back and polish my edits is because I try and make a link to multiple-word articles, like fire damage, but as you can see on that one, because I didn't capitalize the F, the link was red. I have to type [[Oblivion:Fire Damage|fire damage]], which, for someone who has gotten used to the laziness that computers allow for, can be quite frustrating. In fact, I was already thinking about posting this suggestion somewhere on the site, but then you beat me to the punch.

I'll try and develop this habit for you, but I'd ask that you meet me in the middle.--Dstebbins 21:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem! I know the link format can be a pain, though I'm not sure if it's something that can be fixed. It would probably best if you brought it up with Nephele, either on her talk page or at UESPWiki talk:MediaWiki 1.14 Upgrade. If anything can be done, she'll be the one to know! –Eshe^talk 21:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

First of all, please put your responses on my own talk page; that way, I can be notified that you replied, and I won't have to come check on it myself.

Second, how can this not be helped if multiple-word articles on Wikipedia are not case sensitive like that?--Dstebbins 21:45, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

No, we don't hash conversations on the UESP. If you ask something on her talk page, she will respond on her talk page. If I ask something on your talk page, and you respond on my talk page, I will just move it to yours. Just keep it consistent. --Elliot^(T-C) 21:47, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you found it difficult to find my response, but as Elliot has said, we don't normally split up conversations here. If you would prefer for a conversation to take place on your page, reply on your own page and I'll add it to my watchlist. Easy enough :).

As I've already said, I'm not sure if the situation can be helped. For one thing, this is not Wikipedia. Our software doesn't have the same features as Wikipedia's software, which means we have some limitations. Nephele is our local MediaWiki expert. As I said, your best bet is to talk to her about this issue, which should be done either on the upgrade talk page or on Nephele's talk page. I hope that answers your question. –Eshe^talk 00:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I guess I can throw my two cents in. I don't think we should add in another extension or something that alters the case-sensitivity of the links. I say stop being lazy and conform to our settings. It may sound harsh, but it is something you will most likely have to deal with. We can't go around fixing the wiki to fit the needs of individual editors (that is why we have a thing called consensus). Again, I say just start capitalizing the links... it won't kill you. --Elliot^(T-C) 01:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Multiple-word articles on Wikipedia are case-sensitive, just the same as on UESP or on any other MediaWiki-based wiki. The only difference is in our capitalization standards: Wikipedia generally chooses to use lower case for multiple-word titles ("Reflect damage"), whereas UESP chooses to match the in-game capitalization, which is almost always upper case ("Reflect Damage"). If you don't believe me, try to create a link to [[the elder scrolls]] on Wikipedia -- it will be a red link, because in this particular case Wikipedia puts the article at [[The Elder Scrolls]] (because it's a proper noun, presumably). At least on UESP, if you just use upper case all of the time, you'll be right 99% of the time.

So, sorry, but, no, I'm not about to rewrite sections of the MediaWiki code for a single editor. Not to mention, there are major technical difficulties with any such type of change -- such as it taking so long to process an article that most of our site's articles would no longer function. There's a reason why MediaWiki hasn't added such a feature. --Nephele^Talk 02:02, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Construction set?

Since the site information is based of the Construcion set, I was wondering if you could provide a link to the set's contents so that I can refrain from doing this again. Thanks. Dlarsh 05:08, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the Construction Set comes with the PC version of the game. In the case of Oblivion, you can download it, but you still have to have the game files on your computer in order to view the data. So if you have the PC version of Morrowind, all you have to do is find the CS and load it. If not...you're out of luck. –Eshe^talk 05:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Interesting, that makes editing from an XBOX a challenging proposition. Oh well, thanks anyway. Dlarsh 05:21, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

User Box

Hey, I finished the LGBT user box which can be found here. Also, the image was giving me problems (issues saying the file did not exist), so I just went ahead and loaded it again. It seems to be fixed now, but I am not entirely too sure. —Elliot^(T-C) 09:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Your Knights of the Nine edits

Hi! Remember when I fixed the change on Brellin's page, from Areldur joins the knights of the knine after his arrival in the priory to Brellin joins the knights of the knine after his arrival in the priory, well I found ALL knights had that wrong with them, so I changed them. Happy to help!--Arch-Mage Matt 22:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)