Shivering talk:Split

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Split NPC's, one page for each NPC's version?[edit]

As both versions of the NPC's of Split have their own FormID, AI schedule etc. I think the two versions of each NPC must have its own seperate NPC page. That way they can all have their own NPC summary, image and description. --Timenn 11:04, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

I agree, but how will that be accomplished? [[Oblivion:Atrabhi (manic)]] and [[Oblivion:Atrabhi (demented)]]? --GuildKnight (Talk) contribs 22:40, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
Wouldn't it be simpler to keep them on the same page, but maybe just double-up the info? You might even be able to use 2 NPC Summary templates on one page... --TheRealLurlock Talk 23:32, 2 May 2007 (EDT)
2 NPC summaries on one page makes more sense to me. --GuildKnight (Talk) contribs 19:13, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
I understand it is possible to provide two NPC summaries (+ pictures) on one page, but is it simpler than one page per NPC? Either way, people must know a bit of the story on Split to know what's going on. --Timenn 05:56, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

() I tried working on an example page for a Split resident in the style of having 2 NPC summaries (and images) on the same page. Though this seem to work stylistically, it doesn't look very well in the page source. Usually the source text for a NPC page is divided into two clearly distinguishable sections; The header (The NPC summary) and the body (text). With a double NPC summary it gets confusing for an editor not very familiar with wiki markup, as the page will be divided into four sections: Header + Body + Header + Body. I also don't think making one seperate Split NPC Template is a good idea, as there is no way to put content within a template's output without giving it as a parameter.
I would like to propose as final solution splitting the Split NPC's pages into a Mania and a Dementia version, and clearly indicate on each page that they are actually one part of two. --Timenn 09:32, 7 July 2007 (EDT)

In a way, this is similar to the Gray Fox / Stranger situation, where one person has two entries in the game data. We went with two pages there, so I'd agree with Timenn that each NPC in Split should have their own page. GuildKnight's suggestion for naming would seem to be a good one. --RpehTalk 07:26, 9 July 2007 (EDT)
I'm not sure "Manic" and "Demented" are terms used in the game itself. I'd rather go with "Mania" and "Dementia", but that's just a minor point. How should we go on splitting a NPC page? Move the page to (Mania) and create a new page for (Dementia) (or the other way around)? --Timenn 10:37, 13 July 2007 (EDT)
For the record, those two terms are used in Horkvir Bear-Arms' dialogues. Somebody update if they find the terms being used by the game when informing the user rather than the character, i.e. quests or notices.99.179.145.178 06:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

More Info[edit]

Why don't any of the split npcs have stats? I'm sure someone out there knows them.Aldage 16:59, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

If you read the section at the top of this page you'll see there's still a bit of a debate about how to do it. But yes, it needs doing at some point. --RpehTalk 02:20, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
As it didn't seem like the discussion would continue I just went ahead and made the appropriate pages for the first Split resident; Atrabhi. The descriptions might need some improvement, but these are basically the complete pages. If it's OK I'm willing to do the pages for the rest of the residents later.--Timenn 08:19, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
Looks good to me. While you're at it - what about Shivering:Split People? I'd be tempted to link to the individual pages rather than the disambiguation page now that they're there. --RpehTCE 09:30, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
In the end they would link to the seperate pages. I'll replace the links once all the pages are done (to avoid confusion). --Timenn 09:51, 11 October 2007 (EDT)
Done! --10:22, 12 October 2007 (EDT)

Original Split[edit]

I wonder if Split was originally Manic or Demented? I'm leaning toward Manic though. --Aldage 13:59, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

I think it was both, for a few reasons:
  • Split lies on the border between Mania and Dementia.
  • Horkvir Bear-Arm explains that The Great Divide is the result of a mage's experiment gone wrong. The mage's theory was that there was a Manic and Demented side to each person. Seeing how both sides ended up being equally strong I would suspect the people of Split were 50/50 divided. (Who else thinks the mage was Sheogorath in disguise?)
  • Each time you have to choose in Shivering Isles quests, it's between the Mania and Dementia branch. It would make sense that the choice in The Great Divide is such one. Not a choice between restoring the village or converting it completely.
--Timenn 17:09, 13 October 2007 (EDT)

Unique dialogue[edit]

I have noticed "Unique Dialogue" sections on some pages, and the Split have some of the best dialogue I have ever heard. Why is their dialogue not listed? -Especially- Manic Urul. — Unsigned comment by 67.71.9.87 (talk) at 21:51 on 29 February 2008‎ (UTC)

Quite simply, we haven't done it yet. One of the goals of the Oblivion NPC Redesign Project is to include all relevant dialogue on the new NPC pages, and when that project gets going, we should start to see things like this fall into place. –RpehTCE 17:22, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Map Section, two issues[edit]

1) Need to fix the Map section which lists four houses for Jastira Nanus and no houses for Atrabhi. 2) Each listing should specify either mania or dementia, but only two of the listings make this distinction. Gharveyn (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

The map lists all doors which are found on your local map. Jastira's house both times has two entries, thus 2 markers for each house. Atrabhi lives in J'zidzo's House, don't just assume everyone has an individual house. Markers 3 and 4 should probably have been swapped to make it clearer that the entries were not for four houses. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 22:03, 27 June 2017 (UTC)