Online talk:Chat

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Needed?[edit]

Is this page even needed? There is no ingame console. All of these are chat commands. Can't we just include them on a chat commands page? Jeancey (talk) 06:17, 3 March 2014 (GMT)

Perhaps we could rename it "Chat"? We could possibly combine it with Emotes as well. -Thunderforge (talk) 06:25, 3 March 2014 (GMT)
That would make sense to me. Emotes and these UI commands are just two aspects of the Chat system; they should all be detailed together on a "Chat" page, along with info on how to use the Chat. --Enodoc (talk) 10:21, 3 March 2014 (GMT)
I've completed this migration. Online:Console is now Online:Chat and the contents of Online:Emotes have been merged into this page, with that page being replaced with a redirect. I also started to add some more information about the chatting system, such as the audience scope commands (/g, /z, etc.). -Thunderforge (talk) 20:10, 5 March 2014 (GMT)
Could I suggest renaming this to "Commands"? There's a lot more on this page than just chat information. All of these slash commands are actually directives to the system to do something. /fps says to display the frame rate, /bug opens the bug reporting UI, the many emote commands each tell it to perform an animation sequence, and the chat commands are directives telling the system to switch your chat target channel. Once you start typing, your cursor is placed in what is being called the chat window, but really it's a system output window that anything can write to; most of the output is chat, certainly, but there are already add-ons that use it to display lists of looted items, status conditions, etc. So, really, you're typing in a general input/output UI, that is simply mostly used for chat. And if I wanted to look in this wiki for how to report a bug or display play time, I wouldn't think to look on a page titled Chat, but I would look for those and chat in something like "Commands", "Directives", "Interface", etc. --Howtaobrowncow (talk) 14:15, 29 March 2014 (GMT)
All of those are done through the chat system, though. I would not think information relating to chat would be on a page named "Commands", "Directives" seems to be just too far off, and "Interface" would suggest we'd expand coverage to all GUI elements. I am fine with a redirect for "Commands", but not any of the others. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 14:20, 29 March 2014 (GMT)

() They share the same UI components, but they're different things. And, as I think about it further, Chat is an entirely different and rich subject that deserves its own page. The 7 system commands that change the Chat target channel are the smallest part of that. There's information about inline listing items, and how to invite someone to group or guild or add to contacts from within the Chat log, discussions of scoping and what a zone is and how /say and /yell and /zone really differ. I expect there will need to be discussions of blocking people, configuring new tabs, how to filter what content appears in those tabs, etc. There's a 'lot' of material to be explained. To try to fold all of that into a discussion of system commands and emotes is not going to help either of them. I think what's probably needed is a Commands page and a Chat page; the Chat page could repeat the system commands relating to the chat channel, but dozens of other system commands that are unrelated to chatting need their own topic. They're different things. --Howtaobrowncow (talk) 14:48, 29 March 2014 (GMT)

Since they all happen within the same section of the UI, they really all should be under the same page. That was the reasoning before on combining the two separate pages "Emotes" and "Console" into "Chat", as "Chat" is the name which refers to the UI box in the bottom-left corner. This Chat page is supposed to encompass all aspects of the things you can do with that box, and shouldn't be split arbitrarily into those systems that are based on a / and those that aren't. I would however support a redirect from Commands, or alternatively a disambig at Commands which links you to both here and the Controls page. --Enodoc (talk) 18:41, 29 March 2014 (GMT)
}This was indeed two pages originally, Console and Emotes, which were merged into one for two reasons: they are both functions within the same window and there wasn't enough material to warrant individual pages, with little chance of them ever being expanded. The article is already short as it is and if we were to split again the new articles would be even shorter with little chance that they would ever be expanded. I'd be in favor of redirects from those other pages, but I don't think we should split the pages otherwise. -Thunderforge (talk) 03:05, 30 March 2014 (GMT)

Split?[edit]

While the above merger was the most appropriate thing to do at the time, I think it may now be a good idea to reverse it and split this page again into "Chat" and "Emotes". Emotes on console do not use Chat at all, and the Chat itself is also different on consoles, with no chat box and the distinct Voice Chat and Quick Chat options instead. --Enodoc (talk) 12:04, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it's necessary. The concept of chat on console is totally different from what this page deals with, anyway. Emotes on PC are intrinsically linked to chat commands, so why not list them here with the rest? It might be better to have a section dealing with consoles on this page, rather than trying to incorporate such a radically different system into the existing article. Also, on a separate note, can we remove /me from the emote list? It's not an emote. —Legoless (talk) 12:31, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Sure, Emotes on PC are linked to Chat, and that was why we did the merge, but the Emotes on console are the same Emotes that are on PC, but they don't use Chat at all. We may create confusion for console players by having Emotes redirect to Chat, when the two systems on console are entirely separate. On a separate Emotes page, we could list the Emotes themselves by category, detail how to access them on consoles, and add their /slash commands for PC. We'll need to wait and see how console Quick Chat works, but considering the Voice Chat is the main form of chat on consoles I think it really needs to be detailed on this page rather than shafted somewhere else. If they ever bring Voice Chat to PC, it may be based on the same system anyway. Yes, /me should be removed. --Enodoc (talk) 12:49, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Would it not be best to outline the emote differences here, though? If it has a separate page, I could still see it being transcluded here. I see separate articles as a hindrance to PC players looking for chat commands, rather than a helpful distinction for console players. It might mean that this page gets a bit big, but it's quite a technical subject anyway. —Legoless (talk) 12:55, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
We could do both, I guess. Keep the line On PC and Mac, all Emotes are activated by bringing up the chat window, then typing in the emote and nothing else. These commands do not appear in the chat log of other players. and keep the list, but move the general information on what Emotes are and full details of how they work on console out to a separate page, which would be linked to from that line. The Emotes page itself would be based on the original, but the list would become categorized per the Emotes menu on console, while still having the /slash commands for PC. --Enodoc (talk) 13:08, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Seems like duplicate information if we're gonna be maintaining two separate lists. What would be the reason to keep the current list format here instead of using the console categories? —Legoless (talk) 13:18, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
None really, I guess it could be transcluded from the Emotes page with categories just as easily. --Enodoc (talk) 13:27, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

() On a somewhat related note, I've been meaning to make gifs of the emotes - so far I've recorded all them, just have to make gifs. Since there's over 100 of them, what would be the best option to do that without slowing down someone who only wants to see the list but not watch the animations? ~ Alarra (talk) 00:03, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure how Lazyloading works, or if we even have it, but maybe we could put the gifs inside a {{Showhide}} so that they only load if it's opened? Although it may not work like that at all, particularly if it loads all the contents of a Showhide anyway before hiding it. I also don't know what the delay would be with loading 209 gifs, so it may not be a problem if they were in a gallery at the bottom of the page. Alternatively, we could put them on a sub-page (say, Online:Emotes/gallery) and link to it. --Enodoc (talk) 08:30, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
Showhide would still load the images. 100 large gifs would not really be a good idea for a single gallery - maybe split them up into 'Online:Emotes/Gallery Dances' or whatever and make use of these new console categories. Or maybe just pages, a similar approach to how we handled Skyrim concept art. —Legoless (talk) 12:28, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
I may be inclined to withdraw this split suggestion... based on some screenshots I have seen, access to the Quick Chat on console is through the Emotes menu, which would also then need to be detailed on both pages. In that case it probably would be better to make sure all the distinctions and differences are detailed on just the one page... I'll start mocking up a redesign in my Sandbox, feel free to drop in. --Enodoc (talk) 09:31, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

WIP: Console Details Needed[edit]

Remaining info required for the console revamp of the article:

  • Console Chat Channels
  • Emote actions connected to Quick Chat phrases
  • Full list of Emote categories and the emotes included within

--Enodoc (talk) 11:29, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Regarding Quick Chat phrases, you might want to add a column for the text. Most of them say the same thing as the title, with a period at the end, but some are different. The text which appears when using the emote "Low on Magicka" is "I am low on Magicka." The Stamina one is "I am low on Stamina." "Group up?" is "Would you like to join a group?" Trade is "Would you like to trade?" "Synergy" is "Synergy ability is cast". "Move away" is "Move away from me." "Pulling" is "I am pulling." "Tank the boss" is "Tank and taunt the boss." "Sorry" is "I'm sorry about that." "Good job" is "Good job, everyone." "Self-congratulate" is "That's right, I'm pretty amazing."
"Good job" seems to be the only unique Quick Chat emote. It's similar to the "Cheer" emote found in Cheers and Jeer, except unlike Cheer, it's looped. It's also similar to Entertainment > Celebration, but not identical. Anyway, there are several pairs of emotes which are labelled differently, but which are completely identical to each other. I'll try to draw up a proper list later tonight. Insignificant RevisionsThreatsEvidence 21:49, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
That's great, thanks! I was having a look through the PC ones and there do seem to be some which are the same as each other, as well as some which seem to loop a random selection of the individual ones, which could be what "Good job" is doing. --Enodoc (talk) 08:04, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
All emotes, from the text files:
If anyone can label these with which category they come under, that would be great! There are likely also some here which don't actually appear in game at all (eg TEST0001). --Enodoc (talk) 17:16, 10 August 2015 (UTC)
Now that the Console UI is available on PC, I've finished filling out the Emotes list. Consider this WIP project complete. --Enodoc (talk) 19:00, 8 November 2015 (UTC)