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The unicorn

Could the Unicorn kill Umbra? — Unsigned comment by 71.194.252.136 (talk)

Theoretically, anything is possible with enough luck. But realistically, I doubt it. Between Umbra's armor and her self-healing, the unicorn would effectively cause less damage than Umbra with each hit (and Umbra and the unicorn start with similar amounts of health). --Nephele 23:42, 30 January 2007 (EST)

Getting sword with console?

Cant you turn off collisions in the console with tcl and retrieve the sword Umbra if you happen to lose it in the wall? Wouldnt this work with any happening such as this? If this can work someone please add it..

It doesn't work if you don't have access to the console, i.e. you're a X360 player. I guess it would also depend on what is outside the level. It is possible in some places to fall outside any area in the 360 version. (For example, in one dungeon it is possible to fall through the floor.) In some areas the area outside does have a floor, but in others, there is just a void. If you fall into the void as a PC, the game puts you back inside the level. If the sword is subject to the same treatment, but is not replaced, the item may be removed. However if there is an object outside that the item can land on, or if it is stuck inside another object, it should be possible to retrieve it. Just speculation, on my part.

skull of corruption

wouldent you be able to use the skull of corruption (see verminas daedric quest) to spawn an identical copy of umbra that would attack her, making the fight increadibly easy? you and umbra vrs umbra?

Try it and let us (me) know. =) 152.23.196.162 01:36, 4 April 2007 (EDT)
i tried using the skull of corruption on umbra but it didnt help much as the clone of her did not have the all important sword and was attackin with hand to hand. the way i killed umbra as a mage was to summon my most powerfull creature (i fould a xivilai most usefull as liches dont have enough defence) and then use a custom spell similar to fire damage 20pts for 2 secs on touch-weakness to fire 100% for 10 seconds on touch. just keep blasting her and summoning and hopefully she will go for your summon and not u. — Unsigned comment by Dr bunhead (talkcontribs)
I used the Skull of Corruption on Umbra and the corrupt Umbra was very effective ... I think that Umbra was killed in three or four casts. I would have added it to the article, but the Wiki is so thorough that I didn't want - as a new editor - to start messing with it. --Sordel 13:52, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
Haha, I wouldn't worry too much about the editing. If you have tested your idea and Umbra is easier to kill after using the Skull of Corruption (which seems very plausible, at least to me), please feel free to note this in the article. There is definitely a section where it would fit, and if something goes horribly wrong, we can always catch it in Recent Changes. Good luck! SubtleCynicism 14:43, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
I tried using the Skull of Corruption to see if I could try and disintegrate the Clone's Umbra and give it to Clavicus Vile and get the Masque and then get the real Umbra but the Clone fights bare fisted. I play on 360 with no patches. --Sundaroct131088 16:07, 27 September 2007 (EDT)
The clone produced by the Skull of Corruption will never carry a copy of Umbra. It is one of the items that the Skull of Corruption script specifically removes from the clone's inventory. See Skull of Corruption for more information. --NepheleTalk 20:01, 27 September 2007 (EDT)

Umbra's Character level

Umbra's character level can not be 50. I can control her with a command humanoid level 25 spell. My current character level is level 3. I would imagine that in reality her character level is similar to the city guards (not the basic guardsmen, but characters like Hieronymus Lex) where it is PC level + X (my guess would be X = 20, but It is impossible for me to tell yet).

Her level is definitely 50 in the construction set, and it is definitely a fixed level, not an offset level. All the infoboxes on the NPC pages were generated directly from construction set data (and for comparison, you can see that Hieronymus Lex's data does show that his level is offset). Any chance you're using a mod that alters creature/character difficulties (e.g, OOO)? In that case, you'll find a lot of discrepancies between what you find in the game and what's described here, because this site documents vanilla oblivion, not all the infinite possibilities introduced by mods. --Nephele 22:33, 6 April 2007 (EDT)


Nope, no mods in use. I am playing an upatched version on a 360. Aren't there other instances of the game not following the exact parameters set within the construction set? I thought that there were, but I could have read something incorrectly at one time. The only explanation would seem to be that it was fixed in a patch, or that it is a difference between the PC and 360 version of the game. I wouldn't consider any of those explanations likely though. An offset of +20 seems more appropriate though, since with armor I am at 85% spell effectiveness, and I can not control her with the level 25 command spell unless I remove my armor. Thanks for the response; you seem to go everywhere :) - wrswldo @ 12:21 on 4/7/07

The Oblivion.esm file is the file that tells the game what to do; it's impossible for the game not to do what it's told to in the Oblivion.esm file. The construction set basically just lets you see what's in the Oblivion.esm file. It's possible to misinterpret what you see in the construction set (especially when there are multiple scripts that need to be checked), but this is a pretty straightforward case. And this is not information that was changed by any patch, nor are there any differences between the PC and Xbox 360 versions of the Oblivion.esm file.
Another possibility is that there is a quirk with the command spell. It could be that at magnitude=100 (i.e., level 25) it actually affects all NPCs, regardless of their level. Unfortunately there isn't any way on the Xbox to directly find out what a NPC's level is. --NepheleTalk 18:00, 7 April 2007 (EDT)

I'd say you're right about the level 25 command spell affecting all NPC's. I created one for my level 35 character and it did affect all of the NPC's I tried it on, including Umbra, various NPC Marauders, and some random city guards. - wrswldo 4/9/07

Great to hear; thanks for the update :) That's definitely a pretty useful quirk to know about, and needs to be mentioned in a few places! --NepheleTalk 02:22, 10 April 2007 (EDT)


If your magic is at 100%,command humanoid works on any NPC FYI.

-77BeTa77.

I edited the part about needing to have 100 in illusion to use a Frenzy spell on Umbra. You can use that spell as early as level 50. 68.166.64.134 22:30, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

Another way to kill Umbra

Moved from the main page:

  • And the way that I find id best to kill her is to do a Quest called an unexspected voyage in the waterfront district it is a ship been converted to a inn get a bed and sleep. when you wake up talk to the thief and remember what he said kill him. thene do the same with the other two. When you get intothe captins cabin talk to the wommon and say the following ,three months ago,the goldon dragon,bravil. if you get this right she will surrender and give you the sword. trvell to vindessel and whene you find umbra sneak up on here get an attack in and keep blocking and attacing and eventually she will fall down keep attacking her ans she will fall down a few more times but just keep attacking and dont give here a chance to get back up.Evetually she will die and you can get here armour and sword. then sleap n here bed and you will be visited by the dark brotherhood. This Method id good for Levels 1 to 15 but maily lower levels.

This, if it's to be on the main page at all, should be re-written to a) stay out of first person; b) follow normal grammar and spelling rules; and c) simply recommend a weapon with absorb fatigue, such as the Blackwater Blade. DisplacedAvenger 09:31, 24 May 2007 (EDT)

Mehrunes Razor

If you're lucky it could be one of the easiest way s to kill Umbra. I "banished" her in three hits, and my character was only level 4.--68.60.129.177 21:14, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

Wouldn't that mean you can't get the sword though? --RpehTalk 03:41, 27 June 2007 (EDT)
Mehrunes razor doesn't actually banish them it just kills them in one hit doesn't it?
Correct, the idea is their soul is banished, I guess the devs though of this beforehand. When you use the daedric banishing effect, their bodies remain.-Puddle TalkContribs. 21:11, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Umbra and Soul Calibur

Should the similarity between Umbra and Soul Calibur be mentioned? Sword that makes owner want souls and go all crazy?

I'm going to opt to say no, because they are fairly different (both in operation and in appearance, meaning that the developers likely did not intend for Umbra to be reminiscent of the Soul Calibur sword). SubtleCynicism 18:57, 1 September 2007 (EDT)


It's Soul Egde. Soul calibur is the 'purfied' version of Soul edge.


-77BeTa77

Soul Calibur is more like a mirror version of Soul Edge, and vice versa, since SC wasn't made from SE. Although I noted the similarities, there is also the fact that Umbra (the bosmer warrior) appears to have a better control of herself than Siegfried and the others from the Soul series, when they are wielding Soul Edge. Umbra seems like a weak counsin to Soul Edge, but perhaps the developers were inspired by the game? 77.66.99.28 08:19, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

If I had to draw comparisons between Umbra and Soul Edge, the 'Morrowind' version of Umbra is closer than the Oblivion version, as Morrowind's umbra is a claymore, as is the 'typical' Siegfried / Nightmare form of Soul Edge (although the animated Nightmare armour in Calibur III and IV wield it with one hand, it is still based on Siegfried's Bastard Sword version), whereas Soul Calibur is one-handed, but Umbra does not resemble Soul Calibur in any form.

That said, 'Soul Edge (Female)', Cervante's version of Soul Edge (the one he wields over his head, the other, Acheron, is a pistol sword of his own creation) is one-handed. Perhaps this could go in the 'Easter Eggs' page but it's not a very clear reference, if it IS one. Mental Gear 12:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Damage Strength?

I tried using the suggestion of immobilising Umbra using Damage Strength poisons, and it doesn't appear to work for some reason. Either this approach needs to be explained more fully in the text or it is an error. --Sordel 03:00, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

There's one major flaw in the current text: it overlooks the fact that Umbra is a master of Heavy Armor. Therefore her 140 pound armor causes 0 encumbrance. Add in her 0 weight quest-item sword, and her total encumbrance comes to 0 (confirmed in game). As a result it is impossible to overencumber her without using a Burden spell, which will always be a temporary effect, unlike Damage Strength. So I've deleted the entire comment from the text because it really doesn't seem like a useful tip. --NepheleTalk 22:06, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
Blargh, didn't think of that. However, if you disintegrate a piece of Umbra's armor down to zero health, she'll be forced to unequip it, right? Then she'd have to carry its weight. Of course, since there are no Disintegrate Armor poisons, that will probably take way too long unless you enchant a dagger for the purpose or something. --66.23.133.55 16:58, 12 December 2007 (EST)

Poisoned apples

Can't you just kill her using poisoned apples? Actually, does she ever sleep or eat?LordDagon 10:35, 18 December 2007 (EST)lordDagon

Trying the same thing right now... She has the apple, but no eating so far.

86.82.49.207 09:45, 8 January 2008 (EST)

Umbra's only AI script is "wander" so she never eats or sleeps, meaning that you can't kill her with poison apples, unfortunately. –RpehTCE 05:31, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Umbra Easy?

I found that she wasn't even a challenge. I simply used invisibility and snuck up behind her, then fired off a custom spell of mine. One shot, one kill. (Fire damage 43 for 3 secs, Damage health 100 for 1 sec, Frost damage 40 for 3 secs, and shock damage 50 for 3 secs.)

Such a spell can make ANY enemy easy, since it does ... well... (i'm not good at maths), around 400 damage. Umbra's health is 'only' 394. --LordDagon 12:34, 16 March 2008 (EDT)
If I did my math right, which I may not have as I used only my head, that spell does something like 499 damage after it's all done. I'd definately say that would make just about any enemy seem "easy". --Darkle April 14, 2008
Your maths is correct. And for most people such a spell isn't plausible. And isn't it a little boring to instantly kill anything you see.
Maybe try putting weakness to magic 100% and see what happens with it? Would be epic.

I don't really see the need to sneak or become invisible just fire the spell and your done.Also your spell would work if the person was a master of destruction or 50 plus destruction skill.Which isn't much help.Most guides are intended to be able to without any big requirements,just good strategies.

killing umbra

i used paintbrushes to pin her in then used a bow and a sword longer than hers. i also used her as a great way to level my attack skills.

Umbra's sword is missing

I jumped to a pillar and used welklynd stones (about 24) at level 11 using a shock spell repeatedly....eventually she fell. I jumped to the floor, and took all her armor, but the sword was missing... is this a glitch or did I damage the sword to "oblivion" so-to-speak. Wondering if this is a bug...I have Knights of the Nine, Mehrune's Razor, Dunbarow, and all the other plug-ins inclulding Shivering Isles. Everything else is working without problem. Searching for the sword (I am wearing all her armor) to no avail. Bug????? Help on this greatly appreciated.

As discussed on the article, it is possible for Umbra to drop her sword behind a wall when she dies. --NepheleTalk 17:47, 26 April 2008 (EDT)
And in my experience, killing with spells has the tendency to cause enemies and their weapons to go flying, at least a little. Darkle 04:27, 27 April 2008 (EDT)
Since reducing the sword to 0 health causes it to be unequipped but not dropped (in the current patch at least - (very) old comments suggest that may not have always been the case, and I don't know if the XBOX version is different) that's one way to ensure that it never gets lost. It's a bit cheesy, but she isn't really a challenge once you're in the teens anyway, even without the epic list of exploits on this page.

Killing Umbra at level One

To kill Umbra at level one Simply push her up to the gas trap. She will try to walk back to her camp, but this can be countered by talking to her every 5 or so seconds. It will take a bit of time to push her up there (about 20 min), but you will have all of her goodies at level one. An additional bonus to this method is you don't get anything on your record. Perfect for those lawful characters. --JabberWalkie 02:46, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

Killing Umbra easily

I killed Umbra with level 20 Imperial Rogue without taking any hits and with difficulty +100. It is actually pretty simple. All you need is Blade 100. Just go to her, save and try the paralyzing attack. If it works, she can be killed really easy without any magicka. I managed to paralyze her on the 1st try.

And if you don't paralize her the first time...? the difficulty will surely cause her to cut you like a wet piece of tissue.

No offense but how is that pretty simple if you need a 100 blade?Your "method" isn't really a method as it's just saying get really good at the game and you will kill her easy,Which isn't much help other methods include actual strategies.

Simple guide to killing Umbra

I know theres a few above me, and sorry if it was mentioned, but this is problebly the easiest way to kill her at any level. First, go to the arena, become a member, and take a Claymore from the racks. (or use one of your own claymores, something long and 2 handed) then go to the ruins. (vlindrael or something?) Enter the ruins, kill things, yadda yadda, then when you get to her humble indoor camp, go to the Table next to the broken pillar and throw everything off it. Then pick up the basket next to the same table (with grab, not inventory pick up) and put it upside down on the table. (only if your acrobatics is low) then jump onto it, and quickly onto the pillar before the basket tumbles over. Set your difficulty to the easiest, and Use your flare spell (everyone starts with it) and shoot it at Umbra if she is far away. She should start running into the pillar and swinging, but missing because her Sword isn't long enough. Yipee, yours is longer! Start hacking at her from up top the pillar, careful not to fall off. She will walk away from it a few times, but she will go right back into it. She should die after a while, and you should only need one claymore if the difficulty is low, and when she is dead, claim her goodies, and run out of those ruins with a hearty "All your epics are belong to me".

Alchemy Or The Poison is mightier than the Blade

Not only does training your alchemy up to level 100 makes you rich, but makes Umbra not such of a challenge. Poison your weapon (A Bow would be the best choice) and wack her with it. A master of Alchemy shall create very decent effects, even if with Novice Equipment. A mage. level one, can summon a skeleton or a zombie to slow her progress. The Player then just needs to run up to the balcony, jump down, and repeat the process when the poison fades. Note that you will probably need Restore Health potions, if you do this. (But Umrba hits should be nothing compared to the Restore Rate.) (And I just am too lazy to log on...) -207.134.114.36 20:40, 26 August 2008 (EDT)Herlock

Kill Umbra at any level with 2 hits using enchanted weapon and spell

You need to have access to the arcane university, a destruction skill of minimum 50, and a grand soul gem (or at lower levels a black soul gem) filled with a grand soul.

1.Enchant a sword, a dagger or a mace with fire damage 10 for 1 sec, shock damage 10 for 1 sec, drain health 100 for 1 sec, weakness to fire 100% for 1 sec, weakness to shock 100% for 1 sec, weakness to magic 100% for 1 sec. 2. Make a custom spell weakness to fire 100% for 4 sec, weakness to shock 100% for 4 sec, weakness to magic 100% for 4 sec, all on target or touch to your liking. 3. Use the spell on umbra and hit her 2 times within 1 second, bum she is dead.

4. If you hit here 3 times within 1 second with the enchanted weapon, you don't even need the spell.

I beat Umbra with my lvl 1 Orc with nothing but 4 paralyze potions and Dawnfang Superior, didn't get hit once. Kestral 17:55, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

Damage Fatigue

It appears that my detailed strategy for Killing Umbra by Using Damage Fatigue poisons has been deleted and "Changed into one sentence". I would like to point out that people might not be very well informed when trying this uber-advanced technique if they don't read all the uber-detailed detaily stuff. Restore it :D?

83.80.144.22 13:28, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Well, it appears your edit was a bit out of place where it was. Also, it seemed to ramble on a little bit considering how much simpler it would have been to consolidate it into one sentence. The revision over it seems to handle it just fine, considering how little there actually is to it. And your note on alchemy was definitely out of place. And by the way, first-person is a no-no.--penguin0719 14:11, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
Also, the more detailed information is provided on other wiki pages; links allow readers who are interested in the details to find far more complete information on the appropriate wiki pages. For example, information on the usefulness of the Damage Fatigue effect is included on the Damage Fatigue page; how to use poisons is covered on the Poison page. If there is even more to be added on these techniques, it should be added to the specific articles, where the information will help any reader who is interested in using Damage Fatigue poisons to combat any enemy in the game. The details are not specific to Umbra, and therefore don't belong just on her page. --NepheleTalk 17:07, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Breaking umbra to steal it.

I wanted to take the sword from Umbra, but I had no success in disarming her, despite having the requisite skills in blade, blunt, and hand to hand. I could hit her with paralyzing attacks, but the sword would not show up in her inventory when I tried to take it. Only some gold woould show up. So I proceded to use this as a good opportunity to build my block up to mastery level, and try that method. After a while of building up my block (and healing her, as well as myself), I happened to notice that she wasn't using her sword anymore. I figured (correctly), that the sword had broke, and that she had put it away. I went to the paralyze attack, and when I went to steal again, the sword was in her inventory. From there, I used the invisibility scroll I had, and headed out. I figured that anyone high level enough, who wanted to retrieve the sword without killing her, could try the same method that I did.

Paralysing is all very well but ...

Under the heading "Killing Umbra" (with reference to how to aquire the sword Umbra without killing her) it states:

"Or you can Paralyze her then steal the sword."

Would this really work? I only ask as I was under the impression that equiped items are not avaliable to take when an NPC is paralysed (I assume, of course, that Umbra at no point unequips the sword, in which I may be wrong). Ayeitburns 16:14, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Yep, you're right; Paralysis won't let you enter her equipment. I think that the comment was related to the disarment combat perk... but why would you first paralyse her and then disarm her? I therefore took it off the page. Thank you for noticing. --SerCenKing 16:23, 19 February 2009 (EST)

Editing this page?

Would Blood of the Deadra be a related quest because indirectly through the Claucius Vile quest it is? Ag2013 10:24, 21 February 2009 (EST)

I know what you mean but I'm inclined to say "no". If we did that, then the vampires you kill for Azura would need to be included, as would Bejeen and Weebam-Na from Nocturnal's quest, Melus Petilius from Molag Bal's, etc etc. We'd end up with half the game's NPCs linked to the quest. –RpehTCE 11:06, 21 February 2009 (EST)

Why not the quest page?

It seems strange to me that all the "How to kill Umbra" techniques are here on her NPC page rather than on the quest page. Any particular reason for this? –Eshetalk 15:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Also do we really need this many different ways to kill her I mean she maybe level 50 but I knoe many people who play highest difficulty and can still kill her level 2 Liam head 19:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I hadn't noticed Eshe's question before or I'd have answered it earlier. 1) Right - they should be on the quest page. 2) Right - there are far too many. The Cleanup tag is there to fix the second problem, and once that is done the remainder can be moved to the correct place. –rpehTCE 20:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, it's been a while and nothing has been done about this (probably my fault, but hey). The way I see it, there's nothing in the "Killing Umbra" section that's only applicable to this specific fight. Even so, some people might get some use out of the suggestions. I propose moving the entire section onto Oblivion talk:Clavicus Vile, where people can discuss any method they like without it clogging up the character article. –Eshetalk 01:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Armor

The most powerful variant of Umbra's set of armor adds up to a total of 60 damage reduction - but at her level of heavy armor skill, does she have 85? I'd like to have her as a follower (see my edit on the Oblivion Talk:Followers page about undead followers) without giving her bound armor to max her reduction, for the Battle of Bruma. Mental Gear 12:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

No, the base armor rating is the maximum protection you will receive when your skill level is at 100. This means it works differently than with the weapon skills. --Timenn-<talk> 18:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, but what if the most powerful version was all repaired to 125%? Would that reach 85? Mental Gear 12:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Yea, since that would improve the quality of the armor, it would improve it to 75. --Timenn-<talk> 18:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Armour statistics

Since I am unfamiliar to the way the table was created, can someone please make the table show the maximum health for levels 1-14 and 15+? Thanks.24.150.26.11 23:21, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the table already shows armor durability. The two columns below the small heart icon are the durability values of the individual pieces of armor. The coin represents their value, and the shield represents defense strength. If you are confused by the meaning of an icon used in a table, simply place your cursor over it to get a notice of the images meaning. -Dlarsh(Talk,Contribs) 23:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Dont have to kill Umbra

Using numberable Disintergrate Weapon spells can be used to obtain umbra and leave her alive, gain umbra as a non quest item by compleating the quest, duplicate it using the Scroll Duplication glitch and the drop a cloned umbra on the floor near the unequipped Umbra (the person) and if she is still agressive towards you, she will pick up the cloned umbra and start attacking again, go invisible until the fighting music ceases, leave the ruin and you have your very own umbra and umbra (the person) is still alive!

)--VergilSparda 17:33, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Janitorial Volunteer

I'll do the cleanup in the "Killing Umbra" section. I just want to know what would be appropriate, do we just want methods for low level characters? Do we want the methods to be in-depth, or basic, perhaps just a breif overview of each method would sufice? Just wanted some feed back before I cut the section ddown to size. I do intend to remove the "A single, powerful spell" method unless someone objects, just so you know. Dlarsh(Talk,Contribs,E-mail) 18:25, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Great idea! Yea, remove the single powerful spell section.
I'd stick with general advice only. Crazy methods that only make it complicated should be removed. Analyze Umbra's weaknesses and strengths, and filter the tactics that utilize that. Remember that players can always tone down the difficulty setting, and that this is not a guide for die-hard players who want to defeat the character on maximum difficulty while level 1. --Timenn-<talk> 17:29, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
I cut out everything I felt was unnecessary, but I tried to leave in a feasible strategy for most play styles. It still takes up nearly half the page, so removing some more might be good, but I can't decide what else to take out. Any further suggestions/comments are welcome. Dlarsh(Talk,Contribs,E-mail) 20:20, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Looks good so far! It still needs to be moved to the quest page, but it can wait until you've finished here :). Thanks! –Eshetalk 02:06, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
In my honest opinion, there shouldn't be a "kill Umbra" section on the NPC page at all. The methods that are not completely horrible and overly complicated (which is only a few) should be simplified and removed to the quest page where they belong. People who choose to pick a fight with Umbra before the related quest should be given a link to the methods on the quest page instead. I'm not sure, but this seems to be the only NPC page where we provide a ton of difficult killing methods and for consistency, it should just be removed altogether. --Krusty 10:35, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) Agreed, that was actually the origional intent; to clean the section up and then completely relocate it afterwards. The problem I have now is that I really don't see much use for a full section anywhere. The most I really see us needing is perhaps a link to the Cursed Bound Item trick and a brief comment that she can be lured into the dungeon's traps. Everything else in the section are just basic combat strategies. Dlarsh(Talk,Contribs,E-mail) 23:28, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Linking to a few useful techniques might be enough. Umbra is somewhat special, due to the unleveled sword and partially unleveled armor. That would warrant a few tips to help players who want to try to defeat her on a bit lower levels. Nothing big though, but just enough to help a daredevil on his/her way. --Timenn-<talk> 09:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Alright, I cut out all the drawn out strategies, they were all just basic combat methods as far as I could tell. I left a note regarding her susceptability to the bound armor glitch, and a reminder that the traps can take her down (as well as the intro section, which is actually quite useful). I think that should be all the extra help we need to provide. If there was any section that someone feels should have been kept, I'll be happy to work it in. To be honest though, I think we're ready to move the section to Clavicus Vile's quest page. Dlarsh(Talk,Contribs,E-mail) 16:52, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
As my topic in the bottom, I would like you to examinate what I've changed in the "Killing Umbra" section of the page and see if something (or all) needs to be cut off or improved. Feel free to edit anything you find unsual or incorrect so it can have what you need. If I did something wrong please excuse, I only want to help improve the wiki and thanks in advice!--S'drassa 03:06, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I removed some generic advice and I went ahead and moved it to the quest page. Thoughts? –Elliot talk 02:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Looks good to me, although I think that the "advantages of killing her" part would fit better in the notes. --MC S'drassa T2M 04:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, it just is based on where the person would be looking if they are on this quest. As long as the are linked to one another, it should be fine. –Elliot talk 04:32, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Apotheosis

Should I add in a section about how easy it is for a level 1 character with Apotheosis to kill her? It only takes 5 shots(I think) with the difficulty on normal to finish her off. The only thing slightly tricky about this option for a level 1 character is getting enough gold but it is doable.68.160.164.217 16:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

There actually was a comment on Apotheosis in the earlier version, but I removed it to generalize the strategies (I ended up removing all specific weapon suggestions). I suppose adding it under the "Sniping" section would work, if others agree that it's worth mentioning. I personally feel that it's unnecessary, but since I removed it the first time around, my opinion is hardly unbiased. Dlarsh(Talk,Contribs,E-mail) 16:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Black Wood Ring

The black wood ring of silence gained from Ajum-Kajin during the Information Gathering quest does 150 points of fire damage, quickly killing her. — Unsigned comment by 124.181.34.88 (talk)

But there is no way to give the ring to him. It's not zero-weight, so you can't reverse-pickpocket it. Talk Wolok gro-Barok Contributions 15:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Editing "Killing Umbra" section

I have just finished editing the whole "Killing Umbra" section and I would like to know if I should add more or if I should now move it to the quest's page. Please let me know if I'm missing something or what needs to be added. Thanks in advice--S'drassa 22:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Add under Killing Umbra

I think we should add a little clarity under the section titled Killing Umbra. When I first read this page (before I actually had to kill her) I wondered why this was the only character page that listed how to kill someone. I suggest we add a paragraph or something about why you would need to kill her, something like- "The sword Umbra wields is needed for the Clavicus Vile Deadric quest, and the only way to get it is to kill her and loot the sword off her body. Because of her high level, armor, and restore ability, this makes her a strong oppenent to defeat. Listed here are tips and techniques that could make killing her easier." Any suggestions? Jplatinum16 22:02, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually, when we finally work out how the section should look, we plan to move it on to Clavicus Vile's quest page anyway. Dlarsh(Talk,Contribs,E-mail) 22:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Killing Umbra with Wabbajack?

Couldnt you use the Wabbajack on Umbra and kill her when she is a random creature? And if she dies as a creature wouldnt she turn back to normal? Please let me know! -Blood Hawk

I am afraid Umbra is not effected by the Wabbajack I checked this personally.--Kri-Dar 19:04, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Kill Umbra With Guards?

Could you lure umbra to guards to kill her? 70.67.27.132 21:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually this was posted before, but it was removed because it was a kinda complicated method and you could also die while trying it.--MC S'drassa T2M 21:50, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It's actually rather easy to do. Lure her to the Waterfront District, this is only recommended if you have decent Athletics and Speed. Once you're in the Waterfront District find the area where the first meeting of the Thieves Guild takes place, and jump onto a nearby house. She will run into the wall of the house while the guards and various townspeople rip her to shreds. Note: don't use an invisibility spell, she'll most likely run off back to the ruins. SDarktimesX5 23:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

They key words in what you just replied are: if you have a decent Athletics and Speed. What we're trying to do is to keep it as simple as possible, and if you were to post that you will need to explain a detailed method of how you may acquire the necessary athletics and speed to outrun her without getting to damaged. --MC S'drassa T2M 23:38, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Umbra's restore health ability

Just for fun, does anyone know if it's possible to gain this passive ability using the console, and what the code may be? — Unsigned comment by 64.253.223.247 (talk) on 21 December 2009

player.addspell a1df. –rpehTCE 16:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
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