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Quote: In fact, nothing can: the engine caps the effectiveness of all skills at 100. Does this count for magical boosting too? If you have Blade at level 100 and a ring that fortifies Blade by 10 pts, does it make no difference at all to just leaving it at level 100?

Source of information?

It would be nice to know where this info is taken from, since it would mean that luck is completly useless once you got all skills maxed out, which would be a nice flaw in the concept i guess...

This information was uncovered through rigorous testing. Yes, foritfy blade 10 if you have blade 100 will get you nothing, just as luck 55 and luck 50 makes no difference once you hit blade 100. Luck is only completely useless if you are playing the game to max out everything. Certainly it is worth rethinking such things as the +5/+5/+1 leveling scheme in light of the 100 cap, but it isn't completely worthless. --Thehankerchief 15:13, 16 May 2006 (EDT)
Does Luck influence stuff like quality of loot found in crates or successful harvest chance?
I don't know, and it is difficult to test. I'd guess no on the loot, and a pessimistic maybe on harvesting. --Thehankerchief 16:58, 16 May 2006 (EDT)
Luck had a major impact on random loot in Morrowind, so I'd be pretty surprised if it didn't have some impact on it in Oblivion, too. --Dev akm 17:27, 22 January 2007 (EST)

I did some testing with leveled loot lists and luck in Oblivion, and found no effect on quality or quantity of loot. Used a leveled list with 50% chance to find a leveled light helmet. At level higher than 20 you get mithril, elven or glass with equal chance, if you use preview select a level higher than 20 and select a count of 1000 you would get around 166 of each. I created a mod with a barrel with 1000 of this leveled list. I found around 145-190 helmets of each type with no visible difference if my luck was 0 or 100. Reloaded and looked around 20 times, the numbers was always different but you did not get better items or more totally at high luck.

I have not tested with plants, but it should be pretty easy with the vineyards outside Skingrad and a autoharvest mod. — Unsigned comment by 193.90.234.108 (talk)

Perhaps this had more to do with the way the leveled list was structured? For example, the iLevItemLevelDifferenceMax setting may have prevented you from getting anything other than the equal-chance distribution you described. Might be worth rechecking it with a lower-level character or a list where the items have different level-spots.--Dev akm 13:32, 14 February 2007 (EST)
I was pretty curious about this result, too, so I did some more testing last week using the same idea, and my tests showed the same result: no effect on leveled loot from increasing luck. And iLevItemLevelDifferenceMax definitely wouldn't explain this result: that would just truncate the lowest level item(s) on the list and make them never appear, it wouldn't otherwise skew the likelihood of lower level items showing up.
Just to cover more bases, I did tests using 5%, 10%, and 50% probability lists (each with leather (lvl 3), chainmail (lvl 6), or mithril (lvl 10) helmets). I did the tests with a level 15 character, but because iLevItemLevelDifferenceMax takes the minimum of the character level and the highest level item on the list, anything from level 2 to level 10 is equally likely for a list that tops out at level 10, no matter what level your character is. As in the example above, I added 1000 of these to containers. I also added in some leveled gold, just to check what happens with one of the game's default lists. I added both LL0GoldLeveled50 and LL0GoldChange50 to each container. I revamped the WarehouseContainer testing area so all the containers in there were filled with 1000 instances of one leveled list, and one instance of each of the gold lists.
Another thing that I did differently was I tested for Luck=1, Luck=99, and Luck=200 (all set using "player.setav luck", so these were the base values of the attributes, not modified values). I chose 1 and 99 just in case there was something quirky about 0 or 100 (I've seen one luck-related script where 100 got dropped from the script). And then 200 was just to pick an even larger value.
The bottom line is I could not see any effect from luck on any of the lists. In case anyone is curious, here are the numbers for the 10% list and the leveled gold list:
Luck  % with any helmet Of helmets,
 % with leather
Of helmets,
 % with chain
Of helmets,
 % with mithril
 % with leveled gold average leveled gold
1 10.175% 32.38% 34.15% 33.46% 55% 280
99 10.2% 33.87% 33.63% 32.50 % 50% 273.75
200 9.885% 32.27% 33.84% 33.89 % 55% 293.86
This is for a sample size of 20,000 with the helmets and a sample size of 40 for the gold (i.e., the statistics for the gold are definitely worse). If anyone cares about the other cases, I'd be happy to share them, but there is really no evidence of a pattern. The number of items found does not get better with higher luck and the value of the items found does not get better. --Nephele 17:59, 14 February 2007 (EST)
Well, that's a pretty comprehensive test, so I imagine that settles the question once and for all. Good work, man!--Dev akm 16:55, 7 March 2007 (EST)
I disagree. My test has (as this test confirmes) that luck has no effect on non-enchanted items quiality (mine found on baddies, his i a barrel) but I did find an significant increase in random/generic loot. One might speculate if this is because only some leveled lists are affected by luck (Enchanted items seems to benifit and in my "static test" the increase was most significant in the generic chests, where first run gave no goodies other then gold and potions, whereas my 411-luck run 3 pcs of jewlry (one enchanted) and significantly increase in gold and potions. I will of cause test further, but I only have Xbox360 availble, so testing is teadious and testing with mods is not possible. --SeekerDK 09:52, 28 March 2007 (EDT) (Please refere to last entry in the luck-talk section for my refrence).
It's hard to see how the game would differentiate between the different leveled lists. All that the game basically sees is (a) a list saying x% chance of finding an item, and (b) these are the possible items at each level. There isn't any obvious flag that says "this list should have luck applied". And the tests I did confirmed that not only is the quality of the item unaffected, but also the chance of finding any item. As I said, I did tests using lists that only give a 5% chance of the item appearing (which is basically the same as the lists that give you jewelry from generic chests), and there was no increase in the number of items. I also did tests using the standard gold leveled lists, i.e., the exact same leveled lists that you suggest gave you more gold when you increased your luck.
I'm also reluctant to place too much faith in one test, because it's likely that there are five other people who did the same test you just tried, got negative results, and therefore didn't bother to post them. I realize that using standard game play it's really tedious to do more than one test, but really something like 5-10 tests are needed to give any type of meaningful statistics (with multiple low luck and multiple high luck tests). If you are able to do more tests and continue to get consistent results, please report back, and I'd be happy to discuss in more detail what might be different between your tests and my tests. --Nephele 23:27, 29 March 2007 (EDT)
I'll see what i can do. Thou i would expect to much from me at this point. I'm still on my first char and hav not yet reached 100h or anything near completion of either main nor guild quests. I would how ever suggest that try some other lists then equipment/gold adding stuff like repair hammers, jewelry and enchantments. I had some debate on the forum on this topic as well ( http://www.uesp.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3362 ) and the only thing conclusive I've been able to come up with for now, is that equipment amount and quality is not affected, thou I still believe that quite a few lists are still affected by luck. Things I would like an inside to, could also include generic loot lists like "minor loot" off baddies and in generic chests. --SeekerDK 07:59, 3 April 2007 (EDT)
I did a couple more tests set up to be more like your conditions: level 22 character, 2 tests at base luck (75) and 2 tests with fortified luck (441, spells+potions). I looked at four standard leveled lists: LL0LootRepairHammer25, LL0LootLockPick25, LL0LootJewelry10, and LL2LootPotionsCombat10. These are lists used to fill the generic chests found in Fort Nikel. Bottom line is there was no difference between the low luck and high luck cases. For example, repair hammers: 241 and 249 with low luck, 246 and 247 with high luck. Lockpicks: 268 and 244 with low luck, 239 and 255 with high luck. --Nephele 01:58, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
Seems like a pretty comprehensive test to me. I think this info should be on the main page, it's a pretty big change from Morrowind, and one that makes me really re-think a +5/+5/+1 leveling strategy. Ninti 00:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Just a question on Nephele's methods: when you changed the player's Luck value during your tests, did you reload the area in any way? As an XBox/XBox 360 user, just now starting to play around with Morrowind on the PC, I was under the impression that a chest's contents were determined the moment you entered a cell. If you entered the cell with, for example, Luck 50, then changed your Luck via the console but didn't reload the cell, the chests may have already been affected by this Luck value (and may have already been loaded with loot the moment you entered the area).
The only reason I ask is because you didn't talk about the specific testing method, just the environment (using the Warehouse), and I recall Luck making a huge difference in the contents of chests in Daggerfall; in the very beginning of that game, I'd raised my Luck to something significantly high via the console, and received vast amounts of quality loot and gold from chests that had previously contained scant, very low-quality items. Unless they changed the Luck mechanics significantly since Daggerfall, and even Morrowind (where using two amulets of +50 Luck before entering bandit caves seemed to net me Grand Soul Gems in most barrels), I'm wondering why Luck has so little effect on loot in Oblivion.
Of course, I could just be entirely confused as to how Oblivion (and Morrowind, and Daggerfall) generate container contents. Could you clarify the way you tested, and where my confusion lies in the way Oblivion decides loot in general? --TheRayven 15:44, 14 July 2007 (EDT)
Yes, the content of a container is generated when you first enter an area (that's one of the things that the CPU is busy processing while you watch the load screen). In all of my tests, my character's luck was changed as soon as I loaded the save game, which in this case meant that my character was standing outside in the streets of Anvil. I then coc'd to the test warehouse. So the contents were all generated based upon the revised value of luck, not my character's original value. I also did tests in which I visited the test warehouse multiple times without making any other changes, and confirmed that the container contents only became fixed once I had entered the warehouse. If the contents were not being freshly generated, I would have seen the exact same items in the containers every single time, and I wasn't.
Oblivion was basically written from scratch, and there are many examples of substantial differences in the mechanics between Oblivion and Morrowind. So Morrowind can't really be used to figure out how Oblivion works. --NepheleTalk 16:27, 14 July 2007 (EDT)
Thank you for the clarification! I assumed you'd done the testing "correctly", I just wanted to verify. It's disappointing that Luck has no impact on loot... oh well! --TheRayven 16:35, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

What about Athletics and Acrobatics?

Your general argument is correct, but from my reading and testing, all skills effectively cap at 100 except Athletics and Acrobatics. So there is a (small) benefit to maxing out Luck, as you gain slightly higher running speed and jumping height.

Ha! You're right! I missed those two, so I double checked them and it seems that Luck does not even affect those two skills. I've updated the article to reflect this. I double check alchemy as well - it is capped and affected by luck. Security, Sneak, and Speechcraft are also candidates for exception, but are rather difficult to test. --Thehankerchief 22:41, 16 May 2006 (EDT)

Equation

Following comment by Helpdesk moved here from main page:

PROBLEM: on the weapons demage formulas page, this formula is shown as .04 * (luck - 50). is it 0.4 or .04??

The equation is 0.4: a 5 point boost in luck is equivalent to a 2 point boost in all your skills --Nephele 20:06, 24 September 2006 (EDT)

Hidden Bonus?

It is rumored that raising your luck skill to 100 will provide the player character with a hidden +10 bonus to all of his other attributes. --This note (made by Vartan) was moved from the main page as it needs to be confirmed. --WerdnanoslenTalk 14:49, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

False. It is most likely derived from the fact that luck has a direct (but not shown) effect on all skills at the facter 5luck = 2skills. --SeekerDK 07:16, 29 March 2007 (EDT)

Luck effect on loot

I seriously think there is something gained by luck in leveled loot.

I did a quick run of Fort Nikel with a Luck of 101 at lvl21. This gave a couple of lockpicks and R-hammers, about 300 gold, couple of potions and the normal loot of unenchanted gear from the baad guys. Loaded the game just before i entered and gave my self a severe luck boost with 4 X 30pts luck potions and 2x95pts spell (2 diffrent spells @ 100pts x 95% effectiveness) landing me a at wooping 411. This run provided me with a magic amulet, 8 arrows of flames, 2 unenchanted pcs of jewlry and a severe increase in potions (both number and quality), lockpicks, R-hammers and gold (around 600). BUT the it did not seem to have and effect on the battle equipment carried by the bad guys (execpt for M-arrows). Niether quality nor amount.

In a ealier, less controlled test, a 120pts luck boost at Rockmilk Cave proved quite beneficial for the magical eq carryed by the ring leaders, both in terms of enchanment quality and number of magical items carried.

Please try it and se for your self.

First of all, please start adding signatures. Second, I must note that Luck has almost no effect on the loot. When I got my Luck down to 0 with a custom potion, the loot was the same as it would have been if I was 100 Luck. It only makes a difference in that it increases the chances of a rare item appearing very slightly. It also has no effect on the auto-lock picking. --69.85.153.182 00:45, 28 March 2008 (EDT) A.K.A. Eiyuu Kou
I would like to see a test done on the effects of Luck on chests that have a chance of generating a "major" magical item (such as Bladeturn Hood, Amulet of Axes, etc.). Obviously Luck does not affect the chance of getting a mithril helm, but... so what? I want to know if it affects my chance of getting the good stuff. Reason being: I have never gotten Amulet of Axes on my 360 save, and I'm at a loss as to why, since I've done bajillions of boss chests in 550+ hours of gameplay. The other thing I wonder is, if luck is over 255, does it start counter-acting your odds of anything? Does making your luck be 32,000+ make a big difference vs. 200+ in regards to drops? I wonder what the luck levels that people used in these tests were. Did anyone try very high (16-bit type) numbers? Thanks. - DarkGoob
Umm, lets see. Perhaps you haven't found an Amulet of Axes because there's no chance of finding one until you're at level 20? Or perhaps because even once you're level 20, the chance of finding one even in boss chests is only about 1 in 700? Or perhaps because you've been checking Bandit Dungeon boss chests, which even at level 50 have 0% chance of ever containing any piece of jewelry? Trying to translate "bajillions" into reality here: you've probably really only checked maybe 100 boss chests (of 550 hours of gameplay, maybe 300 at level 20+, perhaps 3 hours to explore a dungeon containing one boss chest). So the odds say that you're actually very unlikely to have found an Amulet of Axes. Perhaps when you're up to 10,000 hours of game play (or can prove that you've checked thousands of boss chests) you could have a legitimate expectation to have found an Amulet of Axes.
Or, here's a deal. You tell me how you'll get your luck to 32000 (especially on the Xbox!!), then I'll do a test to see what happens your luck is at 32000. Given that 400 luck is about the largest value that you're ever likely to reach with your character, why is there any reason to test what happens at luck greater than 400? Tests have already been done (as described on this page) at 200 luck and at 441 luck, covering both the below-255 and above-255 ranges, and covering what would seem to me to be the range of what's realistically possible. If I said that getting your luck to 32000 would guarantee that you'd find an Amulet of Axes, how would that help you?
Finally, for the most radical idea yet: if you don't agree with the tests, why don't you find a way to set up some tests yourself that prove the tests that have been done so far are inadequate? Given that I already think that the existing tests are more than comprehensive, I have very little interest in redoing what I've already done dozens of times. If you think that work needs to be done, the best way to make sure it happens is if you do the work yourself. --NepheleTalk 01:44, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
I would have to say luck DOES affect LOOT. I've played tes4 an immeasurable amount of hours since release, and I find that every time I start off the game with "the Thief" and the "+5 luck" boost from the get go, I have significantly better loot drops. Just with that small 15 point bonus I find magic items in dungeons in a much greater abundance then without. My own experiments shadow the findings of the OP's, in that there is still a slim chance of finding magic items in random chests/enemies, but the odds are greater with a luck at least 15 points higher then starting stats. Now granted, because of the loot roll being nearly impossible to see and understand, the only empirical evidence that we have is our own runthroughs, and one could argue that those drops just happen to be assigned to said chest and said times. But, run into a dungeon without that luck bonus, and you'll find a bunch of crap. Take the luck bonus, and you'll find something better, guaranteed(even if its just the difference of 1 potion of healing versus 2). For example, I ran through "Quickwater Caves" with my base 65 luck toon right out of the sewers and found both "Robe of Glib Tongues" and "Light Armor Vest." Now yes, they're level 1 items (i was level 1 in test) but they showed up in two consecutive chests. Now, tell me that isn't "luck." <<< KALSIGUR — Unsigned comment by 71.139.189.239 (talk) on 15 June 2010
Luck does not effect loot in the slightest. I tested this months ago, I entered the same cave fifty times with my luck at level 0 and fifty times with my luck at level 100. The quality of items I found did not vary because of my luck. If you save before you enter a cave, the items in there will change if you reload back to before you enter the cave. There is no corrolation between Luck and Loot. What you find in a cave is purely random. The only three traits that have any effect what so ever on the loot in a chest is your level, the level of the chest and whether it has scripts or not. So unless you have strong evidence that prove us all wrong, believe what you want. --Manic 13:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Mehrunes Razor

based on the formula for mehrunes razor, DeathChance = PlayerLuck * 0.05, if you boost your luck to 2000, can you get 100% chance of daedric banishing?

No, because as stated at Mehrunes Razor (where that equation comes from): DeathChance is at least 1 and at most 10. So boosting your luck past 200 has absolutely no effect on daedric banishing. --NepheleTalk 00:52, 21 August 2007 (EDT)


Could someone figure out a way to tell the reader that mehrunes razor is part of a plugin before they click the link and get all disappointed? Thanks.

Raising Luck

How is luck raised? I can't find this information anywhere. 71.231.143.65 14:34, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

It's raised the exact same way as every other attribute: by selecting it when you level up. The information is provided at the same places where you can find it for the other attributes. For example, on the Attributes article or on the Increasing Attributes article (which includes a subsection specifically on Luck). --NepheleTalk 15:02, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Ah. I didn't realize that you could raise an attribute that didn't have a +X indicator to the right. I was waiting for "+1" to show up. 71.231.143.65 20:43, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
I had the same issue and was very confused. Expected to see a +1 next to it like with the rest of the attributes and thought I couldn't increase it. This really should be noted wherever raising luck is mentioned as it is completely unclear. 24.131.122.13 19:49, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
On Oblivion:Attributes, Oblivion:Levelling, as well as several other articles and the game manual itself, it is clearly stated that the multipliers are merely additional, and attributes can be raised without them. The misunderstanding you went through is not a widespread problem, and doesn't justify mentioning on this article. -Itachi 21:06, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Is it useful?

Is it? I mean, is it worth raising? 21:49, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

It makes your skills work better, so... yeah. It's worth it. Only downside is that it's slow. Felindre 20:40, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I highly recommend against using raising it. It is helpful at first, but once you reach or are nearing the 100 on all attributes mark, it does absolutely nothing. --Elliot(T-C) 20:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Not quite. This and this spring to mind, but I'll admit that's not much. –RpehTCE 20:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah yes, I was referring to attributes. If you like gambling and 1-hit-K.O.s, then use it. --Elliot(T-C) 20:51, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Disarm?

does high luck increase chance to disarm or knockdown enemy? — Unsigned comment by 94.102.80.197 (talk) at 10:30 on 12 July 2009 (UTC)

No, this is not known to be affected by Luck. Elliot(T-C) 10:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

As to believe.

Hello everyone reading this page. It is obvious that we need to test luck, so please don't rush everyone working on it. We will find out soon enough Sein 07:09, 26 November 2009 (UTC)Sein

Ehm? Please see the extensive testing that is already done at the first section of this talk page. --Timenn-<talk> 11:19, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

boostin luck

hello i need to know how to boost my luck to 200 w/o spells im trying to use the dupe glitch to perm luck effect but sigil stones dont have fortify luck P90 user 05:17, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Just get a spell with any fortify attribute effect and any empty soul gem (black soul gems work too), and go to any altar of enchanting (at the Arcane University or Frostcrag Spire) to create a custom fortify luck enchantment. The strongest you can get is a 10 points Fortify Luck enchantment with both a grand soul gem and a black soul gem --MC S'drassa T2M 06:01, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Dont you mean a grand or soul gem FILLED with a soul?. You cant enchant with empty soul gems. 86.178.226.209 20:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Why luck is not useful

First , sorry for my bad english. luck is not useful because : example : high elf(F), 5/5/1 leveling , everything max at lv 56

            5/5/5 leveling , everything max(exept luck) at lv30

........................ so,if we have 100 luck , then whe have +20 to every stat(stats are at 100),(in damage calculation , actualy invisible for player) so , we will be more powerful with 20 % than enemy in theory(because enemy level with us) ..................... so, if we do not have 100 luck but use leveling 5/5/5 , and at lvl 30 we will be as powerful as lv 56 - 20% ............. but power diference of enemy between lvl 56 and lvl 30 is approx 50% in teory ....................... so 50 - 20 = 30% ...................... so we will be 30% mo4e powerful than enemy with 555 scheme at lvl 30 ,insted of 20% with scheme 551 at lvl 56 ...................... did't tested it for other character configuration. 79.100.173.130 10:25, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Different people have different game preferences. Luck can be used for roleplaying purposes or for those who do not care for maximum leveling. The full benefits and drawbacks are explained on the leveling page. Vesna 00:04, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

--- Did you take into account that every 10 points of luck over 50 gives you +4 too all skills (except athletics and acrobatics). At 100 luck that is about 20+ skill points (behind the scenes, its not visible) to all your skills. <<<<Kalsigur, June 15, 2010>>>

Did you take into account it will take you 50-60 level ups to get 100 luck? --Arny 16:58, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Not true, If you have thief birthsign and custom class with luck as one of the attributes you can get it to 100 at lvl 35. Having 100 intelligence luck and alchemy and a master set will produce the best potions you can make by the way. check some of the formulas and you will see that luck does play a big part in the game. or at least a big enough part. MikeTalk 17:06, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

you only need 100 alchemy and the master set FYI, intelligence definitely doesn't have ANY effect on your potions. this isn't MORROWIND! 10 points of extra luck from birthsign, class, and level ups (not from spells, potions, or enchantments) gives you 4 more Alchemy skill but boosting Alchemy over 100 has no effect. check some of the formulas yourself MIKE.

Oblivion by itself is not even that long, I got 22-23 levels and I have finished all achievement quests, a friend got 30 levels by doing the same thing --Arny 17:10, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Why is my luck gone?

out of nowhere, i noticed my luck has been damaged 0. its not a spell effect, and as far as i can tell, its permanat. it isn't a disease, posion, or spell efecting my character, and there is absolutly nothing on the "active effects" page about it. its been going on for a while and i really need to fix it, because its ruining my character. i'm a lvl 40 dark elf, if that matters. if anyone has any idea what going on with this, i'd really love to know how to get rid of it. — Unsigned comment by 24.209.178.100 (talk) on 3 May 2010

Probably, something has damages your luck. Use Restore Luck potions or visit an altar in a chapel. rpeh •TCE 07:53, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
Any chance you've done Zero Visibility? Anyway, to get things back to normal, you ahould find a way to restore your luck. Talk Wolok gro-Barok Contributions 09:35, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
just go to a weynon priory and use the chapel altar hopefully that should restore it.--(Theblack7 16:42, 22 July 2010 (UTC))

Luck affects looting

i was raising luck for a while on my file and one day when i went into a fort of some type, i found a ring of night-eye, witch i looked up and doesn't seem to exist unless you make your own.— Unsigned comment by 72.208.195.51 (talk) at 18:23 on 4 June 2010

There are several rings with a night-eye enchantment, so it's likely that the ring you found is listed here. I believe luck does not affect the loot, so it's very unlikely that luck granted you that ring. Talk Wolok gro-Barok Contributions 19:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree. In the boss chest of an Oblivion gate, I found a nighteye ring, I was about level 15. I still use it. --195.60.143.253 19:57, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Luck affecting Loot?

I realise this subject has been gone over many times before, but is it possible that though luck does not affect the quality of an item it does increase your chance of getting an item that has less than a %100 chance of appearing?

I dont have any solid evidence to back this up but I do find that my 100 luck character gets more items from boss chests than my 50 luck character Pirate34 16:10, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Luck has no effect whatsoever on the loot that you get from chests.
Regards,
TheEnigmaticMan 16:31, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Luck Enchantments

I just thought I should point this out; a luck enchantment is the most powerful enchantment in the game that can be obtained via soul gems. Why? Because of the way it functions; you could get 15 points of any skill, or you could get 15 points of luck, which provides 6 points to every other skill you have! At 21 skills, that's essentially 126 points of boost at no charge of that of a normal enchantment.

You can do the math yourself, but its not hard...126 points is better than 15 XD

128.84.156.250 22:06, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I can't deny that math, but there are other factors to take into consideration. For example, a Mage would find no help at all from most of the combat and stealth skills, and vice-versa. I think that it would be very dependent on the skills you use. A bit of Luck could be handy, if you want a small boost. --DKong27 Talk Cont 22:19, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

luck causes weird guard behavior

Before my "enchantment glitch" luck I had 50 luck. Now it's 100. Before when i was at 50 luck and hit a guard or imperial agent and went to town all guards chased me. Now at 100 luck i punch an imperial agent to steal his horse and i go to town, guards greet me with like "evening mam, evening, morning" etc and make no atempt to arrest me. Yet if I initiate conversation with them I get the usual arrest dialouge. It's weird.--71.23.17.32 05:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)unokitsune

Luck has absolutely nothing to do with this. Guards will only attempt to arrest you on sight if your bounty is high enough. If you have a low bounty, they will only arrest if spoken to. --DKong27 Talk Cont 19:10, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

An Argument for the Power of Luck

We can start with a total of 65 luck (using The Thief birthsign and a custom class that has luck as a specialty). At level 6, luck could be leveled to 70 naturally. Already you have a bonus of 8 to all of your skills (which will come in handy while you chop down charging Clannfears that want to bash your face in while you stutter backwards). Using the Arcane Sanctuary or Frostcrag Spire--the easier option if available--the addition of three more items imbued with grand soul gems, giving 10 luck, would then max luck. Realistically, you could have 100 luck at level 10 and a 20 bonus to all skills. This would undoubtedly give you an advantage in any circumstance. At later levels, say 25, you could use the practicality of your high luck to level your other skills. Marksman at level 5? More like Marksman at level 25. You would level quickly, and a good enchantment could make a low combat skill well worth using. Having leveled luck 5 times would only advance your progress to getting all your skills to 100 if it meant you could then achieve 20 bonus to all skills through three enchanted items (say an amulet, pants, and gauntlets maybe? That leaves you with spare spaces to wear any of these)and high natural luck . At the end of the day, when you are the master of the Tamriel, and all the sooner for your luck, it won't matter that your skills, excluding athletics and acrobatics, are not bolstered 20 additional points. By the time that a skill boost of 20 is no longer useful, you will have far surpassed the desire to better allocate your attributes. That is to say, you could have the lowest base attributes, and with 100 in all skills, easily defeat any opponent. --Goldenjack 06:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

luck only raises your skills on fallout 3 (Eddie the head 09:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC))

FYI on Luck effects for map loads

I have logged countless hours on Oblivion. I can say with certainty that it does indeed cause higher loot rates. Using my unboosted luck stat of 70 I created luck potions. My most recent creations boost my luck by 43 points for each potion taken. Drinking four potions and then saving just outside of ruins or cave entrances, I have made many AMAZINGLY succesful runs. Admitedly, I have had to reload/reset the map from my save 3 or 4 times. But this never happened very often in the first oh...500hrs of gameplay before I experimented with luck. Here is my very strong evidence that luck boosts effect map loads.

Instead of finding 2-3 oh...Strong Potions of Magika on the bodies of(for instance)necromancers, I would find in excess of 53. Yes...I typed that correctly...53 potions. This has happened on more than one occasion (I have NOT the math skills required to cypher the statistics, lol). My point is that it only occurs when I have remembered to drink my potions. I agree with the above mentioned information about increasing the chance for finding artifact jewelry items of the highest power/worth. This was exceedingly perfect for loading the Portal maps in the Oblivion rhelms and before entering the Sigillum Sanguis room map at the top of the portal towers. I got better results more often than using my regular base luck of 70.

I would also note that, often, I go overboard and drink 7 potions instead of 4. This is achieved by drinking 3 in your inventory screen...exiting/re-entering that same screen quickly...and then drinking 4. This is on the Xbox even with the patch. Anyway, this is my first time ever adding info to any kind of Internet game posting. I hope it helps everyone who reads it (and hope you forgive my grammerical errors?).

Good LUCK, ha ha!

Sorry, but luck has absolutely no effect on treasure results. It just doesn't. The stuff you've found is easily within the realm of standard possibilities. rpeh •TCE 09:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I think we should leave this luck thing a mystery. It gives a sort of spirit to the game, and it gives something to think about. I personally like stopping for a sec in a dungeon and thinking: "Would I've got this awesome Daedric Battleaxe with fire damage 100 pts on strike if i had less luck?" (that was just an example. I never got a daedric battleaxe with this enchancement, and I go for blades anyway.)

(Broxigar 10:28, 25 July 2011 (UTC))

Sigil Stones

This is entirely random, I know, but does luck affect sigil stones? For example, if I went to a gate of oblivion, and then got a sigil stone with a magnitude of twenty, would I get a better magnitude if I came back with 100 luck?

(Broxigar 10:20, 25 July 2011 (UTC))

no their levelled (Eddie the head 10:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC))

Hmm...that explains. You see, I went to an oblivion gate, and I got a stone with 20 pts damage, then leveled up, increased my luck, and in the next dungeon I got 25 pts damage. I was probably just in-between the two stages. Thanks anyway. I nearly made some luck enhancements.

(Broxigar 10:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC))


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