Oblivion talk:Goblin Jim

Where did you get the information that he was once a goblin hunter? Aldage 18:02, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

Very good point. I've added the relevant tag to see if somebody else can provide a reference. --Rpeh^Talk 09:07, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

I am just speculating here: I personally haven't come across anything in the game suggesting that. Fadus Calidius, who adds the map marker, says nothing about him. Jim does not seem to have a journal and he attacks you on sight. May be we can safely assume the information is not authentic. --Mankar Camoran 10:23, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

I'd agree that it's probably false. Certainly I can't find a reference anywhere in the game dialogue or books. It's a plausible story, but there are several equally plausible reasons for his being there and we shouldn't speculate. There's no hurry though. We can give it a week or so then remove the information. --Rpeh^Talk 10:42, 6 October 2007 (EDT)

Could we add in that he was alsomost likely a joke from the creators of Oblivion? Because not many other goblin shamans (as far as I know of course) are shirtless male Bretons. Just a point I would have liked to have added :P Lots of love, Logiccube 15:22, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

Maybe the info on Jim being a Goblin hunter was something extracted from the oblivion guide book. I've never read the prima guide before, but I know that it contains some info that isn't found in the game itself.--Willyhead^/t 11:13, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

Fighting Goblin Jim

I was at level 6 when I fought him. The first time, there were also 2 goblins and I got killed. After re-loading, I took out the goblins before facing him. This time he summoned a zombie. I used turn undead, and killed Jim. The zombie never re-appeared, but I guess it vanishes when the summoner dies. This is all background to suggesting that there should be something on the page like: "If you kill all his goblins, Jim will summon a zombie when he attacks you."

Based on a grand total of two tests? I don't think so. If you ran this through a few dozen times, to ensure that he NEVER summons a zombie when there are still goblins alive, and that he ALWAYS does so when there aren't, then we'd have something. As it is, this just looks like random chance. As for disappearing, summoned creatures always disappear when their summoner is killed. Nothing special there. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 10:34, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

He does have a summon headless zombie spell in his spell list and his combat style is DEFAULT, his script doesnt support the theory about killing his goblins and then summoning the zombie and there is nothing in the goblins' scripts that would refer to this either, the spell is a standard journeyman summon spell that the player can use too so it truly was just chance and not anything scripted.

I just fought him, and with goblins still living he summoned a dremora (I'm level 14) Stouf761 00:09, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

That's because aside from the Summon Headless Zombie spell he also has leveled witch spells, which include a major summon spell. --S'drassa ^•T2M 00:30, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Killing Jim & hostile goblins

The page says "Killing him will not stop the goblins from attacking". However, he does appear to have the required 'shaman' script, like all of the other goblin shamans, and brief testing (by teleporting into his area) suggests that the tribal goblins do become non-hostile when you kill him. Of course, I might be missing something obvious/doing something wrong. --Gaebrial 13:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Well I just tried it once and the tribal goblins kept attacking, but Gaebrial's right about the scripts - they should stop. Needs a little more investigation. –rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 18:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

We were both reading the scripts wrongly. The script that Goblin Jim has (along with the other goblins) sets the faction reaction between the goblins and the player faction to 0. Since there's no faction reaction defined, that doesn't make a difference. The other shamans have a different script: it sets the faction reaction to 100 between that goblin tribe and the player faction, which stops the attacks. In other words, it's probably a bug. rpeh •T•C•E• 16:35, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Is there a better grammar?

At lower levels he will also have a waraxe or shortsword made of either elven or dwarven,... I'm certain that I'm not the only one who that phrasing forces to imagine a waraxe made of elven shoulderbones, the femur used for a handle. Is there a fix for this that's grammatically more sound, without being awkward and cumbersome to read? --Somercy 12:52, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Maybe "of Elven style" or something similar? Legoless 13:03, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

This page needs work, wouldn't do much good to just change that sentence ~ Dwarfmp 13:29, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Well I've reworded it. Perhaps a little too detailed, but better than it was before. rpeh •T•C•E• 14:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

No that's exactly how detailed it should be ~ Dwarfmp 14:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)