Morrowind talk:Yagrum Bagarn

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Possible to command him around?[edit]

is it possible to command hm to a house or other construct? — Unsigned comment by 76.112.43.191 (talk) at 05:27 on 6 September 2010 (GMT)

quotes[edit]

on artifacts pages it gives quotes from yagrum does that mean if you have a artifac in your inventory he has the topic about it? (Eddie the head 16:48, 17 January 2011 (UTC))

Those quotes are from Tamrielic Lore --Brf 16:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
ok — Unsigned comment by Eddie the head (talkcontribs) at 16:58 on 17 January 2011 (GMT)

Beating the game after killing him.[edit]

Someone reverted my note that it's still possible to defeat the game even if you break both the normal and backpath routes by killing him (by soaking the damage from Keening and Sunder via eg. extremely high health, health regen, magic resistance and so on) with the note that it is "impossible in normal gameplay" and therefore not noteworthy. I'm not sure what this means? You can beat the game without wraithguard via normal gameplay -- that is, you don't have to use exploits like crafting or alchemical singularities. The damage is high, but not so high that even a level ~20 character with decent endurance can't get off enough time to make one attack, remove them to heal, get off another attack, and so on. A level 60 character, meanwhile, will have around 500 hp depending on when they raised their endurance -- more than enough time to get off the few attacks necessary. Health regen, magic resistance, and health boosts will all help extend this even further, but you don't need 'exploited' levels of them, since you don't actually have to wield Keening and Sunder for more than a few seconds at a time. Alternatively, if you can get it, the Royal Signet Ring from Tribunal will also make you immune to Keening and Sunder's damage due to its 100% magicka resistance. These are unusual ways to beat the game, sure, and obviously abnormal in the same way the backpath is abnormal but I don't think it's "invalid" in any way -- it fits in with the lore and the way Keening and Sunder are designed; if the game's designers wanted to make Wraithguard strictly necessary to beat the game, it would have been easy to do so, but they explicitly did not, and I'd assume that was because they wanted to leave the option of simply becoming "tough enough" to use Keening and Sunder without Wraithguard as an option. Implying that it's impossible to beat the game without Yagrum's help (and, therefore, without Wraithguard) or that you have to use exploits to beat it without him isn't true; soaking the damage from Keening and Sunder is no more outside of "normal gameplay" than the backpath itself. --67.243.133.140 21:07, 11 September 2014 (GMT)

I guess you are Aquillion, then, but just not signed in now? Since I do not agree with your opinion about what is being a normal gameplay, I do not agree with your conclusion. I guess we will have to appeal to other users to share their opinions to find a solution? —MortenOSlash (talk) 11:52, 13 September 2014 (GMT)
In this context, normal gameplay means what was intended by the developers to wield sunder and keening, i.e. the canon way. In many quests, there is no specific way of completing them. However, this being the main quest, there is a distinct and singular way that it was intended to be completed. Killing Yagrum and then beating the game gets around this intended path, and thus is outside of normal gameplay. This doesn't mean it is impossible without cheating, just that it is impossible to complete the intended path after killing him. For cases where there is a clear, specific and singular way of completing them, we do not list separate ways of doing the quest, even if those ways do not cheat. The only times when we do this are in the cases where the intended path is blocked by a bug. Jeancey (talk) 11:59, 13 September 2014 (GMT)

Spurious Information?[edit]

The article claims:

"It should be noted that Bargarn is entirely essential to all parts of the Main Quest, even back-path characters, because if he is killed at any time during the Main Quest, it will be impossible to repair Wraithguard if you happen to kill Vivec."

If Bagarn is essential to all parts of the main quest, then "all parts" must mean everything. He isn't involved in getting the Dwemer puzzle box, doing Sharn's errand, heading to the Ashlanders' camps, et cetera. He is only involved in two main quests—the one which you get cured of corprus disease—and the "back path". There are more than two main quests. Can someone please explain? DRAGON GUARD(TALK) 16:55, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

It may be worded badly, but what it means is that Yagrum Bararn is entirely essential to beat the Main Quest; you can't do it without him (Technically it is possible, but I believe it was decided that path was "unreasonable") Maybe "all endings" would be a better way to say it? MetaCthulhu (talk) 23:54, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
After you have given Divayth the Dwemer boots and have been cured, you can head back to the Corprusarium and plug Yagrum. You can still complete the main quest the normal way. I guess it means he is important to both the normal method and the back-path method, but his role only encompasses a small part of each method. DRAGON GUARD(TALK) 15:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Full names—is it necessary?[edit]

In the notes section, is it necessary to have "Yagrum Bagarn" in every note? It's a bit stilted. Plus we don't normally do this sort of thing on pages. What do you think?
•D. G.|Talk|Work• 22:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

No, usually either the first or last name is chosen and used as an identifier in following sentences. Personally I'd choose his first name, but his last name is used in the only identifier on the page at the moment. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 22:52, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm in favour of using only his first or last name. I can't make the necessary changes now, though.
•D. G.|Talk|Work• 23:34, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
In that case, all instances should be full names, it shouldn't be pick and mix. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 23:53, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Why should all instances be full names when it is inconsistent with other articles, such as this?
•D. G.|Talk|Work• 07:35, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

100 Luck?[edit]

Would the fact that Yagrum has an 100 in the Luck stat be relevant for this page? (Frutz 20:40, 22 October 2022 (EST))