Lore talk:Dumac

Proposed Move

I propose moving the page to Dumac Dwarfking, as that is his full name. Thoughts? Jeancey (talk) 18:28, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

Isn't Dwarfking just a title, he is also referred to as Lord Dumac, General Dumac, Dumac the Dwarf King, and "Dumac, the Last Dwarven King". Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:34, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

Possibly, but it isn't really any less part of his name than the majority of Nords with suffixes and epithets. Plus, we display it on the wiki as if it is him name. Jeancey (talk) 18:45, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

He's also referred to as Dumac Dwarf-Orc. I advocate using full names whenever possible, but I don't think we can be sure what Dumac's full name is. Vivec's account in The Battle of Red Mountain is the closest thing we've got to a clarification from someone who actually knew Dumac, and he refers to him as "Dumac the Dwarf King", which does support the contention that "Dwarfking" is more of a title or an invented simplification which cropped up over the years than it is a name. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 18:51, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

I count two instances of Dumac Dwarfking, two instances of Dumac Dwarf-Orc, one instance of Dumalacath, one of Dumac, the last Dwarven King and three of Lord/King Dumac. The context though, is important. The Dumac, the last Dwarven King, and the three Lord/King Dumac ones also reference Nerevar as simply that. One of the Dumac Dwarf-Orc uses that as well, but the other uses Indoril Nerevar (his full name). Both of the instances of Dumac Dwarfking use Indoril Nerevar as well. Thus, it is safe to assume that either Dumac Dwarf-Orc or Dumac Dwarfking is his actual name, rather than a title, and the others simply weren't writing out his full name. Though, we have Nerevar as just that on the wiki, not Indoril Nerevar. Dumac Dwarfking makes more sense to me as a full name, rather than Dumac Dwarf-Orc (which could be an insult/pointing out his alliance with the orcs against the chimer). Jeancey (talk) 19:08, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

Right, and the same could be said of Dumalacath (that it was a name associating him with Orcs as an insult, I mean). I assume the two instances of Dwarfking are Rislav the Righteous and Five Songs, both of which were presumably written ages after Dumac's death, and by authors who would know little about Dumac. You want to move Nerevar to Indoril Nerevar, I wouldn't be opposed, but this particular move is not on sturdy ground. It's the difference between his full name in life, which is unknown, and what he is called by others thousands of years after the fact. Tutankhamun's name on wikipedia is not "King Tut", for example. Edit - not saying Dwarfking couldn't have been his last name; it's possible, it's just ambiguous. It can't be confirmed when any certainty by in-game sources, so we shouldn't be "picking winners" here. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 19:19, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

Fair point. :P Maybe we will get more info with ESO, since that is closer to his time. Jeancey (talk) 19:35, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

Dwarf-Orc? Dumalacath?

Dumac is twice referred to as a dwarf-orc (Dumalacath also implies relation to the Orsimer, given how Malacath is their patron-deity), shouldn't we add that he was possibly of a mixed Dwemer-Orsimer background in the infobox or trivia section? Now, while it's not entirely clear how a half-blood could become the ruler of the Dwemer, it's still interesting, because both the Dwemer and the Orismer are famous for their metalwork (smithing).--92.114.148.141 01:23, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

I highly doubt that Dumac is a half breed king. Maybe a Dwemer and chimer given the fact that they were at peace for about 300 years. But still no because he's the one who formed the truce.: 174.198.133.232 07:47, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

There are Fan theories about this, and some weird unique theories and reedit stuff involving this stuff. But we have no evidence that Dumac is a half breed, so it can't be added in. There would have to be some source, an npc dialogue or a lore book that dirrectly states this possibility and there is none so it can't be included.TheVampKnight (talk) 09:34, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

dumac door

Yo, just curious what the source was for Dumac being the guy on the door. This texture was also used for Redguard, which would imply it's not depicting just one dwarven king and more a common motif among the dwarves. Thoughts? - TheRockWithAMedicineCupOnHisHead (talk) 02:44, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Its what Imperial Library has the photo captioned as, you'll probably have to ask them, I assume they have insider knowledge from that time like they did with Xan's timeline. The door drawing also appears on Dwemer coins, kind of like Tiber and Reman (as rulers of their empires) do on drakes. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 04:34, 16 March 2023 (UTC)