Lore talk:Aldmeri Dominion

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Last time of Elven holdings?[edit]

" The Dominion would represent the last time the elves of Tamriel ruled dominant kingdoms on the continent, the final legacy of the Direnni and Aldmer holdings." Hmm, what about the Dunmer in Morrowind? --BenouldTC 00:15, 6 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm talking about the big empires, when they dominated significant portions of the continent. But yeah, clarity issues.Temple-Zero 00:20, 6 August 2008 (EDT)
Did the Dominion fall after Armistice of 2E 896? If so then yes, as the Dunmer sold out sovereignty for safety. 69.250.157.253 11:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Isn't it said that the Dark Elves were capable of matching the empire until the armistice? The province is quite big, considering the influence they had on Black Marsh at the time. I would argue that they were significant on the continent — Unsigned comment by 174.89.45.8 (talk) at 18:18 on 27 February 2012

quoting[edit]

Is there some policy on how to treat articles that are just verbatim quotes from source text? In this case it was very unclear that the article was mostly a biased transcripted PGE paragraph.71.244.115.216 20:22, 29 December 2008 (EST)

stub[edit]

What more does this article need? Temple-Zero 00:08, 31 December 2008 (EST)

There's quite a lot more stuff that could be added from the PGE1 chapter, but I don't think there's any reason either to do that or to keep the article stubbed. I removed the tag in my last edit. –RpehTCE 14:09, 31 December 2008 (EST)

The Thalmor and Elsweyr[edit]

"The Thalmor also developed a friendly relationship with the former Imperial province of Elsweyr, in the form of two client states (Anequina and Pelletine)."

Any source for that? In game Khajiit say that the rule of Elves over their heads makes them feel like they are slaves (for example Khajiit from the Caravanas will point it out). --Arkhon 07:19, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

It says it on one of the loading screens, I think. — Unsigned comment by 69.183.42.150 (talk) at 08:13 on 27 November 2011

Right, let me get this straight.[edit]

The aldmeri dominion is the bosmer and altmer joined together to prove that mer are better than men, so why leave the dunmer out, they would make powerful allies. Does the dominion at least hold some respect for the tribunal? Emzi43 13:35, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Not considering the tribunal has been dead for years. — Unsigned comment by 199.127.249.142 (talk) at 12:04 on December 27, 2011
Morrowind is on the opposite side of Tamriel, and with all the fighting of the Great War in the west and center (Cyrodiil), the Dark Elves, scattered though they are after the eruption of Red Mountain and the invasion by Black Marsh, are still Imperial subjects. Any Dunmer working for the Thalmor regime are doing so as individual defectors and would represent an extreme minority. 173.206.171.150 07:02, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Wasn't there information on the loading screen or somewhere in the game that said the Dunmer really don't care about the Thalmor? It would sort of make sense considering that alot of the Dunmer seem to care about their own people instead. Also, the Aldmeri Dominion may have "saved" elven kind (more like the Altmers and Bosmers only) during the oblivion crisis, but from what I'm seeing, they did nothing to help the Dunmer in Morrowind when red mountain erupted, considering most fled or died because of the incident, and didn't do anything when the Argonians of black marsh invaded Morrowind. It really wouldn't be a surprise if most of the Dunmer were resentful with the Thalmor for failing to help them. — Unsigned comment by 130.157.33.52 (talk) on 21 March 2012
If I remember correctly, the Dunmer, or "Changed Ones" were sort of frowned upon by their ancesters... that could even include the Aldmer... but that's my reasoning from what I read in books from Morrowind-Oblivion. (The Crispy Cheetah 02:15, 29 May 2012 (UTC))

Elsweyr[edit]

Elsweyr, or both of its states, is Aldmeri territory, right? So I take it the mane was never replaced. And the Kajiit allow this because the Thalmor claim to have ended the void nights? 86.136.250.166 15:09, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

The book The Great War says that there was a coup in 4E 115 that dissolved Elsweyr into Anequina and Pelletine, which then became client states of the Aldmeri Dominion. This means that Anequina and Pelletine are technically independent, but the Thalmor pull the strings. A comparable real world example would be the relationship between the Warsaw Pact nations and the Soviet Union. 76.181.65.128 03:50, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Should online lore be inducted?[edit]

Seems Bethesda modified the lore a lot since the announce of ESO. Though not interested in that, there are lot of new points, including the initiate time, members, enemies in the 2nd era. --110.174.164.26 16:24, 17 July 2012 (UTC)----

No ESO information in lore until the game is released. Minor EditsThreatsEvidence 18:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Oblivion Crisis[edit]

I remember reading somewhere that the Aldermi Dominion claimed responsibility for protecting the elves during the events of the Oblivion Crisis. I can't remember where I read it though. Should it be noted on the article?--Dro'Bakha (talk) 14:41, 22 October 2012 (GMT)

Not a Place[edit]

I don't really think this qualifies as a Place. I think it should be transferred to either History (like Lore:Empire) or Factions. Thoughts? --Enodoc (talk) 20:57, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

☑Yes Done. I changed it to a faction. Could be history, but it is a faction in Online, so most of the new information we will be adding will be referencing it as such. Jeancey (talk) 21:04, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

Events of Skyrim[edit]

Should the events of Skyrim be included in the history of the Aldmeri Dominion? Like that fact that they take prisoners, etc? -Satherian (Logged in from another computer: 99.177.117.170 08:39, 29 July 2013 (GMT))

In-game details like that aren't usually put into lore pages, but if there are books and things that describe it, then it could be. Jeancey (talk) 09:12, 29 July 2013 (GMT)

Younger Races...[edit]

"First Dominion's ultimate goal was to usher in a new age of Elven rule across Tamriel in order to protect the land from the careless actions of the younger races." But the races of men aren't younger not even in the Mer mythology,or did I forget something?--47.64.162.47 20:44, 19 January 2015 (GMT)

The Altmer consider their Aldmeri ancestors to be the closest mortal race to the divine. In fact, they consider the gods to be their most poweful ancestors (thus "Aedra" = "Ancestor"). In this sense, elves came first. Although it could just be a Tolkien-ism, viewing humans as newcomers. —Legoless (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2015 (GMT)

Citations needed to support this page format[edit]

While it is generally wise to treat all sources as true, I think there are good reasons, in-game and out of game, to not over-rely on the first Pocket Guide. In this case, the distinction between the first and second Aldmeri Dominion seems to be based entirely on the claim in PGE1 that the Aldmeri Dominion of the early Third Era was a "recent creation" founded in 2E 830. And I think it's clear that's some shifty sand on which to build this castle.

So I think we need to provide sources for two things: first, I think we need at least a source or two corroborating a distinction between the first and second Dominions, and additionally, I think we need a source which really establishes that ESO's Dominion was and is considered the "first" Dominion. There are huge gaps in the historical record as we know it, and what little we do know speaks of large Aldmeri domains in the Dawn and Mythic times. These largely humans records give little accounting of Elven political arrangements in the Mythic and much of the First Era. If we can't find explicit corroboration for these claims, I think the page needs retooling. Insignificant RevisionsThreatsEvidence 23:51, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

The distinction came from an out-of-game interview, or something. The current format of the "answer" is here: https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/358/~/the-aldmeri-dominion-foundation-doesnt-match-established-lore%2C-does-it%3F --Enodoc (talk) 01:40, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying! Wish I could keep up with this stuff. Insignificant RevisionsThreatsEvidence 18:39, 3 December 2017 (UTC)